ABB's Efficient Hit Rate: 186 Empty Bullet Cases at Utøya

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The discussion centers around the implications of finding 186 empty bullet cases at Utøya in relation to the actions of ABB during the incident. Participants explore the efficiency of ABB's shooting, the number of victims, and the nature of his training with firearms.

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  • Debate/contested, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that 135 out of 586 youths present were registered as dead or injured, with some victims not shot, suggesting that the total number of bullets fired may exceed 186.
  • Another participant questions whether ABB had professional training, indicating he needed to take lessons to obtain a license for his Glock but lacks further registered training.
  • A later reply expresses a viewpoint that ABB's shooting was effective, implying a judgment on the nature of his actions.

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Participants express differing views on ABB's training and the implications of the bullet case count, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the circumstances of the victims and the nature of ABB's training, which are not fully substantiated in the discussion.

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It was revealed today that the police have found 186 empty bullet cases/holders at Utøya.
135 of the youths at Utøya (of 586 present) were registered at dead or injured, although some of those dead (and probably of those injured) were not shot (for example, one boy drowned because he couldn't swim, another fell off a mountain ledge he had climbed onto).

Since several victims were multiply shot, ABB clearly took aim and didn't waste a lot of bullets, even if the number of bullets actually shot is larger than 186 with a rather wide margin.
 
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does he have training as a professional?
 
Proton Soup said:
does he have training as a professional?

He needed to take some weapons lessons at a registered shooting club in order to gain his license for the Glock in January this year.

Beyond that, he doesn't have any professional, registered training as far as I know.
 
Fine - Sounds like a righteous hit.
 

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