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The discussion revolves around the Abelian U(1) Higgs model, focusing on the implications of the Higgs mechanism for gauge bosons and the interpretation of U(1) symmetry. Participants explore theoretical aspects, potential applications, and the relationship between U(1) and conservation laws.

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  • Some participants question how the Abelian Higgs model can imply massive gauge bosons, including photons, while photons are massless in reality.
  • There is a suggestion that the Higgs mechanism primarily involves SU_L(2)xU_Y(1) rather than U(1), with potential applications where photons acquire an effective mass, such as in superconducting materials.
  • U(1) is described as a symmetry of the Lagrangian that allows for phase changes in fields, with some participants noting its connection to conservation laws, particularly electric charge.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the role of U(1) symmetry and its relation to conservation, suggesting it ensures the conservation of charge in the complex scalar field.
  • Another participant clarifies that U(1) does not necessarily correspond to electric charge and can represent other types of "charge" in an abelian group, particularly in the context of the Standard Model.
  • There is mention of the residual U(1) symmetry after spontaneous symmetry breaking, which relates to electromagnetism and the existence of massless photons.
  • Participants discuss the concept of minimal coupling and provide links to articles for further reading on related topics.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of U(1) symmetry and its relationship to conservation laws, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of the Higgs mechanism in this context.

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1.In Abelian higgs model,we can come to the results that the gauge bosons acquire mass, implying the photons also acquire mass in this model;however,photons are massless in reality.How to explain this dilemma?
2.What does U(1) mean in this model?Does it correspond to some coservation laws,or selection rules?
 
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1. So obviously what undergoes the Higgs mechanism is not U(1)... it's rather SU_L(2)xU_Y(1) that is spontaneously broken. However maybe that's useful in applications where the photons get an effective mass (like in superconducting matterial?)
2. U(1) is the symmetry of your Lagrangian (?), it's a choice which allows you to add generally a phase change to your fields.
 
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1. So obviously what undergoes the Higgs mechanism is not U(1)... it's rather SU_L(2)xU_Y(1) that is spontaneously broken. However maybe that's useful in applications where the photons get an effective mass (like in superconducting matterial?)
2. U(1) is the symmetry of your Lagrangian (?), it's a choice which allows you to add generally a phase change to your fields.
Sorry,I am new to this topic,and I still confuse about some details.
Here is what I realize: U(1) symmetry correspond to conservation of electric charge,so the physics meaning of "U(1)" in this model is to make sure that the charge of the complex scalar field is conservative.
Am I right?
 
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Paul Draw said:
Here is what I realize: U(1) symmetry correspond to conservation of electric charge,so the physics meaning of "U(1)" in this model is to make sure that the charge of the complex scalar field is conservative.
Am I right?

Somewhat, but the thing is that it doesn't have to correspond to the electric charge. It can be any kind of "charge" of an abelian group. In the Standard Model SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1), the U(1) is the hypercharge and has almost nothing to do with electromagnetism before the symmetry breaking (the gauge bosons are the [itex]W^{1,2,3}_\mu, B_\mu[/itex] (not to be confused with W bosons or photon)... after the spontaneous symmetry breaking of SU(2)xU(1) you get a remaining/residual U(1) which will be for the electromagnetism with the massless photon and the heavy gauge bosons [itex]W^{\pm}_\mu,Z_\mu[/itex].

The massless boson exists because you have the additional freedom of rotating again your field due to the residual [itex]U_{em}(1)[/itex]. If you break it, you will indeed get a mass for the photon.

A U(1) in general is the symmetry that allows you to redefine your fields by some change in their phase (global if it doesn't depend on the position, or local if it does). This corresponds to a conserved current (and charge) via Noether's theorem.

When you deal with a U(1) and they tell you that "the vector field is the photon", they are actually simplifying the process... it is a photon-like field, that's for sure, but it's not the photon.
 
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Got it~~ChrisVer~thanks for your help
 

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