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The discussion revolves around the solution of the differential equation dy/dt = y - b, focusing on the interpretation of constants in the general solution and the completeness of the solution set. Participants explore the implications of integrating the equation and the nature of the constants involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution to the differential equation and questions the replacement of the constant ±c1 with c2, arguing that it obscures the existence of two potential solutions.
  • Another participant asserts that there is a single general solution that, given an initial value, leads to a unique solution, emphasizing that c1 must be a positive number and cannot be zero.
  • A further reply clarifies that c1 can represent any real number, including negative values, positive values, or zero, depending on additional information such as initial conditions.
  • Participants discuss the implications of c1 being zero, with one stating that it cannot be zero while acknowledging that y = b for all t is indeed a valid solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the constant c1 and its implications for the solution set. There is no consensus on whether the replacement of ±c1 with c2 is appropriate or whether c1 can be zero.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of constants and the assumptions made about the nature of solutions to the differential equation. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps regarding the completeness of the solution set.

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when i solve dy/dt= y-b

(1/y-b)(dy/dt)=1
d(ln│y-b│)/dt=1

when i integrate both sides respect to t,
ln│y-b│=t+c (c is a constant)
y=±e^(at+c)+b
=±c1*e^at + b (c1 is a constant)

then the book replaces ±c1 with c2 (constant)
but isn't it wrong to do so? Because c2 can't show that it can have two answers.
 
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There aren't "two solutions". There is a single "general solution" which, for some given "initial value", gives a single solution. [itex]e^{at+c}= e^c e^{at}[/itex]. Since c is an arbitrary constant, so is [itex]e^c[/itex] except that it must be positive since e to any power is positive- your "[itex]c_1[/itex] must be a positive number. Putting "[itex]\pm[/itex]" gets you negative values but is still not quite enough since [itex]\pm ce^{at}[/itex] still cannot be 0. Yet, y= b for all t certainly is a solution so your [itex]y(t)= \pm c_1e^{at}+b[/itex] is not complete- it misses y identically 0. That can be fixed by replacing "[itex]\pm c_1[/itex]" with [itex]c_2[/itex] which can be a positive, negative, or 0.
 
HallsofIvy said:
That can be fixed by replacing "[itex]\pm c_1[/itex]" with [itex]c_2[/itex] which can be a positive, negative, or 0.

So do you mean that c1 means a negative number or positive number or 0 and identiying only one of them? By the way i do not get why c1 can be 0. since c1= e^c1 >0, c1 can't be 0.
 
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jwqwerty said:
So do you mean that c1 means a negative number or positive number or 0 and identiying only one of them?
I mean that c1 can be any single real number, negative, positive, or 0. Which number depends on what additional information (such as an initial value) you are given.

By the way i do not get why c1 can be 0. since c1= e^c1 >0, c1 can't be 0.
Yes, that is exactly what is wrong with your solution. You can't have c1 equal to 0 so you cannot get y= b. But y= b for all x clearly is a solution.
 

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