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The discussion revolves around the Kapitsa–Dirac effect, particularly focusing on the concepts of standing waves and resonance in the context of electronic scattering. Participants explore the terminology and implications of "resonant" and "near-resonant" standing waves of light as they relate to atomic physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the term "near resonant" in relation to standing waves and resonance, questioning its meaning in the context of the Kapitsa–Dirac effect.
  • Another participant explains that the effect involves momentum exchange between atoms and light through absorption and stimulated emission, emphasizing the importance of being near an electronic transition for coherent scattering.
  • It is noted that while resonant light can introduce noise due to the two-step absorption and emission process, being near-resonant can optimize scattering while minimizing noise from spontaneous emission.
  • A later reply provides specific details from a paper discussing sodium, mentioning detunings of 100 to 1000 MHz and relating this to the linewidth of the excited state.
  • There is a follow-up question regarding how close to the resonant frequency qualifies as "near," indicating a desire for more precise definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definition of "near resonant" and how it quantitatively relates to resonance, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of resonance and near resonance, as well as the specific conditions under which the Kapitsa–Dirac effect is observed. The dependence on the linewidth and detuning in atomic transitions is also noted but not fully resolved.

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Hi there,
I am reading a book regarding fundamental atomic physics, in which it introduces one kind of electronic scattering called Kapitsa–Dirac effect. I read the some introduction in wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapitsa–Dirac_effect, and it states that the effect was first observed in diffraction of electrons from a standing wave of light. I understand most of the statements in the wiki page. But in other materials, they refer to the similar stuffs with "resonant standing wave" of light. This is confusing to me on the term "resonant". To my understanding, in the text of fundamental physics, standing wave is associated with resonance because it will be formed when the frequency of the "input oscillation" satisfied to some condition. But in other reference on Kapitsa–Dirac effect or in the above wiki page, I saw a term "near resonant standing wave laser field". I don't understand why it said "near resonant", what does it really mean?

Thanks.
 
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The effect in atoms involves the exchange of momentum between the atom and the light field through absorption and stimulated emission. The effect is greater closer to an electronic transition in the atom (this is where the probability of the coherent scattering process, simultaneous absorption and emission of photons, is highest). But for light that is resonant, the two-step process becomes important, where the atom first absorbs a photon, and then some time later emits a photon through stimulated or spontaneous emission. The latter introduces noise. So the best situation is to be near-resonant: close enough to the transition such that photon scattering is high, but far enough that absorption followed by spontaneous emission is low.
 
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The effect in atoms involves the exchange of momentum between the atom and the light field through absorption and stimulated emission. The effect is greater closer to an electronic transition in the atom (this is where the probability of the coherent scattering process, simultaneous absorption and emission of photons, is highest). But for light that is resonant, the two-step process becomes important, where the atom first absorbs a photon, and then some time later emits a photon through stimulated or spontaneous emission. The latter introduces noise. So the best situation is to be near-resonant: close enough to the transition such that photon scattering is high, but far enough that absorption followed by spontaneous emission is low.
Thanks. But how close to the resonant frequency is said to be "near"?
 
In the paper found at http://dx.doi.org.proxy.ub.umu.se/10.1103/PhysRevLett.56.827, they work with sodium, using the 3s 2P3/2 state as the excited state, with detunings of the order of 100 to 1000 MHz. That excited state of sodium has a linewidth of about 9.79 MHz, so the detuning is 10-100 Γ.
 

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