About the definition of measurable functions

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The discussion revolves around the definitions of measurable functions, specifically contrasting an abstract definition involving σ-algebras with a more concrete definition related to Lebesgue measurability. Participants explore the implications of using open sets in the latter definition and the necessity of specifying σ-algebras when discussing measurability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present two definitions of measurable functions: one abstract involving σ-algebras and another concrete involving Lebesgue-measurable sets.
  • One participant suggests that the use of open sets in the concrete definition relates to the generation of the σ-algebra in \(\mathbb{R}^m\) by open sets.
  • Another participant counters that open sets generate only Borel-measurable sets and questions the treatment of Lebesgue sets that are not Borel.
  • A participant proposes that the definition aims to ensure that continuous functions are measurable, noting that the preimage of open sets under continuous functions remains measurable.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of specifying σ-algebras when discussing measurability, indicating that Lebesgue measurability is often implied in literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of using open sets in the definition of measurable functions and whether the definitions adequately cover all measurable sets, particularly those that are Lebesgue but not Borel. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that Lebesgue measurability is the default when discussing measurable functions, but this is not universally agreed upon. The relationship between continuity and measurability is also a point of contention, with some participants questioning whether continuity guarantees measurability under the abstract definition.

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I've encountered two definitions of measurable functions.

First, the abstract one: function f: (X, \mathcal{F}) \to (Y, \mathcal{G}), where \mathcal{F} and \mathcal{G} are \sigma-algebras respect to some measure, is measurable if for each A \in \mathcal{G}, f^{-1}(A) \in \mathcal{F}.

The more concrete definition: f: \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^m is measurable if for each open set A \in \mathbb{R}^m, f^{-1}(A) is Lebesgue-measurable.

So my question is why in the latter definition is the set A defined to be open? In the sense of the first definition the set A was only measurable, not necessarily open. I can see that the latter definition can be seen as a generalization of the definition of continuity, but still why isn't A just taken to be Lebesgue-measurable, not necessarily open or some other Borel set? Maybe it's because many often encountered sets are Borel sets.
 
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I believe it has to do with the fact that the sigma algebra in Rm is gnerated by the open sets.
 
No, according to my memory, open sets generate only the Borel-measurable sets of \mathbb{R}^m (which is the smallest \sigma-algebra that contains the closed sets). It is a theorem that the preimage of a Borel set under a measurable function is measurable, but what about sets that are Lebesgue, but not Borel?

The reason behind the definition might be the following. Clearly we want every continuous function to be measurable. Now in the case of continuous function the preimage of every open set is open, ie. measurable in Lebesgue sense. So by the latter definition continuous functions are measurable. Now if the former definition is used, then there might be some measurable set whose preimage under a continuous function is not measurable, and thus continuous functions wouldn't necessarily be measurable. I don't know if continuity implies that this is impossible, but I guess it doesn't. Thoughts?
 
In the definition, when we talk about measurability of a function f \colon \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^m without specifying sigma-algebras, we mean that you should use the Lebesgue measurable sets in \mathbb{R}^n and the Borel sets in \mathbb{R}^m. Why that choice? Because it is the most often used.
 
Measurability of functions is often stated as X-measurability where X is the \sigma-algebra defining the measurable space, so I think you need to specify a \sigma-algebra to talk about a functions measurability. Usually if measurability is used without specifying ( as when you say X-measurable) Lebesgue measurability is implied. If you look around in your book you'll find some statement like "from here on when we say measurable we'll mean Lebesgue measurable..." Basically what Edgar said. There's an assumption of the \sigma-algebra being used.
 

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