Absolute Power Series: Questions & Solutions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of absolute power series, specifically addressing questions about the necessity of taking absolute values in power series convergence and the interval of convergence being from negative infinity to positive infinity. The scope includes theoretical aspects of convergence tests and their applications in power series.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why absolute values are taken in power series, suggesting it relates to the ratio test of convergence.
  • Others explain that the interval of convergence is infinite because the limit of the ratio is 0, which leads to convergence for any value of x.
  • One participant notes that they have encountered problems where the ratio test did not require absolute values, prompting a discussion about the conditions under which absolute values are necessary.
  • Another participant argues that the ratio test is more effective with absolute values, especially when dealing with series that may have alternating terms.
  • It is mentioned that power series involve terms that can be negative depending on the value of x, which necessitates the use of absolute values in the ratio test.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of absolute values in the ratio test for power series, indicating that there is no consensus on this aspect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which absolute values should be applied.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the ratio test requires all terms to be positive, which may not be the case in power series, thus complicating the application of the test without absolute values. There is also mention of specific examples where the ratio test was applied without absolute values, suggesting a need for clarity on the definitions and conditions of convergence tests.

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I've 2 questions
1) Why do we take absolute of the power series?
2) I don't get why the interval of convergence is from -inifinity to +infinity. You can find the problem below.

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For your first question, look up the "ratio test".

If the series converges for all ##x## then by definition the radius of convergence is ##\infty##.
 
Neon32 said:
I've 2 questions
1) Why do we take absolute of the power series?
That is called the ratio test of convergence. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio_test) The absolute value is all you need to test convergence.
2) I don't get why the interval of convergence is from -inifinity to +infinity.
It converges if the absolute value of the limit is less than 1. In this case, the limit of the ratio is 0 regardless of the value of x. So it converges for any value of x.
 
FactChecker said:
That is called the ratio test of convergence. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio_test) The absolute value

I've seen different problems with the ratio test and they didn't use absolute but when it comes to power series, they use it. Why?
 
Neon32 said:
I've seen different problems with the ratio test and they didn't use absolute but when it comes to power series, they use it. Why?

If you don't take the absolute value and the series has either alternating terms or at least infinitely many positive and negative terms, then the limit won't exist - unless it's 0. The test is better with the absolute value.
 
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Neon32 said:
I've seen different problems with the ratio test and they didn't use absolute but when it comes to power series, they use it. Why?
A power series is a series in powers of a variable such as x. The Ratio Test requires that all terms be positive, but with a variable, some terms could be negative, if x is negative. The problems you've seen that didn't use absolute values were almost certainly series in which all the terms were positive, such as ##\sum_{n = 1}^\infty \frac 1 {n^2 + 1}##.
 
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