Absolute Value Function Challenge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a complex absolute value equation involving polynomial expressions. Participants explore different methods and approaches to tackle the problem, including graphical analysis and case-based reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the original equation to solve: $||||||| x^2 – x –1 |–3|–5|–7|–9| – 11|–13| = x^2 – 2x – 48$.
  • Another participant expresses frustration over not recognizing a "trick" used by a peer in their solution.
  • A modified version of the problem is proposed, which changes the right-hand side to $(2x+9)(x-8)$, aiming to increase the difficulty.
  • A participant describes their approach to solving the modified equation, including graphing a simpler function and identifying cases based on the value of $x$.
  • For case A, they find a solution for $x<0$ and provide a specific value, $x=3-\sqrt{58}$, along with an interval check.
  • In case B, they derive another potential solution for $x<0$, $x=\frac{4-\sqrt{379}}{3}$, but discard it based on interval analysis.
  • For $x>0$, they find a solution $x=3+4\sqrt{2}$ and summarize the solutions for the modified equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the solutions, as different methods and interpretations of the problem are presented. There is acknowledgment of various approaches, but no agreement on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes multiple cases and conditions based on the value of $x$, which may affect the validity of the proposed solutions. The complexity of the absolute value function introduces additional considerations that are not fully resolved.

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Solve $||||||| x^2 – x –1 |–3|–5|–7|–9| – 11|–13| = x^2 – 2x – 48$.
 
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Since the LHS is greater than or equal to zero, this means $x^2-2x-48\ge 0$ so $x\le -6$ and $x \ge 8$. On this interval $x^2-x-1 >0$, $x^2-x-1-3 > 0$ and so on until $x^2-x-1-3-5-7-9-11 > $. Thus we are left with

$ |x^2 - x - 1- 3 - 5- 7 - 9- 11 -13| = x^2-2x-48$

or

$(x^2-x-49)^2 = (x^2-2x-48)^2$

which we can solve giving $x = 1$, $x = 7.754462862$ and $x = -6.254462862$. The third is the desired solution.
 
Thanks for participating, Jester and thanks also showing me this quick way to crack it!

I feel so dumb and silly now because for an hour that I spent today to work on this particular problem, I didn't see the "trick" that you used in your solution and cracked it using one stupidest way!(Angry)
 
Hi MHB,

I've "improved" the original problem to make it more "difficult" and I sure hope you enjoy solving this modified version of the problem.

Solve $||||||| x^2 – x –1 |–3|–5|–7|–9| – 11|–13| = (2x+9)(x-8)$.
 
My solution to solve $||||||| x^2 – x –1 |–3|–5|–7|–9| – 11|–13| = (2x+9)(x-8)$ is shown below:

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I first tried some simpler function and drew the graph of $y=|||| x^2 – x –1 |–3|–5|–7| $ on a paper and then I came to realize that there was a trick to find each formula of the function defined at specific intervals and next, I applied it to our case here and has labeled the formulas for the last three functions as shown in the diagram above.

We see that we've two cases to consider and to find the solution where $x<0$ for case A, we solve the equation $y=x^2 – x –1 –3–5–7–9– 11+13$ and $y=(2x+9)(x-8)$ simultaneously and get

$$x=3-\sqrt{58}\approx -4.616$$

and observe that $$-5.52<x=3-\sqrt{58}\approx -4.616<-4.52$$ and this is the solution that we're after.

Now, for case B, we solve the equation $y=-(x^2 – x –1 –3–5–7–9– 11-13)$ and $y=(2x+9)(x-8)$ simultaneously and get

$$x=\frac{4-\sqrt{379}}{3}\approx-5.515$$

and observe that $$-6.517<x=-5.515 \not<-5.52$$ and thus this answer can be discarded.

And to determine the $x$ value when $x>0$, we solve the equations $y=x^2 – x –1 –3–5–7–9– 11-13$ and $y=(2x+9)(x-8)$ simultaneously and get

$$x=3+4\sqrt{2}$$

Thus, the answers for solving $||||||| x^2 – x –1 |–3|–5|–7|–9| – 11|–13| = (2x+9)(x-8)$ are $$x=3-\sqrt{58}$$ and $$x=3+4\sqrt{2}$$.
 

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