Abstract Algebra: Unnecessary Information in D&F Problem Statement?

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Abstract Algebra concerning the properties of ideals in a ring, specifically focusing on two statements involving the operations of ideals. The original poster questions the necessity of the information that I, J, and K are ideals, suggesting that it may be irrelevant to the proofs required.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the problem statement and its implications, questioning whether the classification of I, J, and K as ideals is essential for the proofs. Other participants engage by suggesting corrections to the problem statement and discussing the logical structure of the proofs.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the problem statement, with some suggesting that the second part of the first proof is unnecessary. The original poster later retracts their concern, indicating a realization about the definitions involved in the proofs.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a typo in the original post that participants are addressing, and the original poster acknowledges the confusion regarding the definitions of ideals and subrings in their proofs.

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Homework Statement



Problem 35, Section 7.3 of Dummit and Foote:
Let I, J, and K be ideals of R.
(a) Prove that I(J+K) = IJ+IK and IJ+IK = I(J+K).
(b) Prove that if J \subseteq I then I \cap (J + K) = J + (I \cap K).

2. Concern/Question

Despite the problem statement specifically stating that I, J, and K are ideals, this information is irrelevant to the proofs (only that I, J, and K are subrings of R is needed). Am I missing something or is this really just unnecessary information?

3. The Proofs

(a) To prove that I(J+K) = IJ + IK, we will show that each set is a subset of the other. To see that IJ + IK \subseteq I(J+K), note that IJ, IK \subseteq I(J+K); since I(J+K) is a ring, IJ + IK \subseteq I(J+K) +I(J+K) = I(J+K).
To see the opposite inclusion, first consider x \in I(J+K); x = i_1(j_1+k_1) + ... + i_n(j_n+k_n) for i_* \in I, j_* \in J, k_* \in K, n \in \mathbb{Z}^+. Reorganizing this equation, we get that x=i_1j_1+...+i_nj_n + i_1k_1 + ... + i_nk_n \in IJ+IK. Since x was arbitrary, this gives us the opposite inclusion and, thus, the desired equality. The second proof is analogous to the above one.

(b) Once again, the equality will be proven by showing that each set is a subset of the other. Consider J+(I\cap K); since J \subseteq I and I is a ring, J+(I \cap K) \in I. Furthermore, every element of J + (I \cap K) can be written as the sum of an element of J and an element of K. Since I \cap (J+K) is the largest such subring of R that satisfies both these properties, J+(I \cap K) \subseteq I \cap (J+K).
Now consider x \in I \cap (J+K); we can rewrite x as j+k for j \in J and k \in K. Since J \subseteq I, j \in I as well, and so since rings are closed under subtraction, k = x-j \in I. Therefore, every x \in I \cap (J+K) can be written as j+k' for k' \in I \cap K. From this, I \cap (J+K) \subseteq J+(I \cap K) follows and, thus, so does the desired equality.
 
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For part (a), no second proof is needed. The claim is identical to the first. As a matter of logic, there is no second claim to be proved.

I think the second part (of (a)) should be (I+J)K = IK + JK.
 
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verty said:
I think the second part (of (a)) should be (I+J)K = IK + JK.

This is correct. I can't seem to find the "edit" button for my og post, but when I do, I'll fix that typo.

Also, bump.
 
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Whoops! The product of two non-ideal subrings isn't even well defined! While I don't need to mention property of ideals explicitly in my proof, I'm assuming I, J, K are ideal when using terms like I(J+K).

Sorry about bumping the thread just to say that it doesn't need to be addressed anymore.
 

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