Academic Binge & Purge: Senior Year Struggles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of retaining knowledge in applied mathematics, particularly as participants approach their senior year in college. It explores issues of memory retention, study methods, and the differences in retention between mathematics and other STEM subjects.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about forgetting material learned in previous semesters, questioning whether this is a common experience or a personal failing.
  • Another participant suggests that regular practice and exercises can help with retention, emphasizing that mathematics is a process of thinking and logic rather than mere memorization.
  • A different participant argues that while forgetting specific formulas is normal, the general ideas and methods should remain, and encourages a focus on understanding concepts and interconnections.
  • One participant shares that they find retention in mathematics more challenging than in other sciences, noting that deeper understanding often leads to confusion rather than clarity.
  • Another participant likens their experience to "academic bulimia," suggesting that without conceptual understanding, knowledge is easily lost, particularly in subjects treated as languages rather than sciences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that forgetting material is a common issue, but there are differing views on the best strategies for retention and understanding. Some advocate for regular practice, while others emphasize the importance of conceptual understanding over memorization. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective study methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of retention issues and approaches to studying, indicating a lack of consensus on effective strategies. Some mention specific subjects where they struggle more, highlighting the complexity and abstraction of mathematical concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

Students in applied mathematics or related fields, educators seeking insights into student retention challenges, and individuals interested in study strategies for complex subjects may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm beginning my senior year as an applied mathematics major. So far I have earned good grades, albeit at a very easy school, but apparently this means nothing because I remember so little of what I "learned." Even paging through lecture notes from the previous semester is hopeless. In some cases I can remember barely anything to nothing (calculus 3, for example.) Am I exceptionally stupid and forgetful or is this common? For what it's worth I have always intended to use my math degree as a stepping stone to medicine (or in failing to gain an acceptance, going back to school for a second bachelors in engineering) but it still feels like a waste of my life to have forgotten so much.
 
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Hi cdotter,

I am only finishing up my sophomore year, but I find that applied mathematics can be forgotten quickly if I do not do exercises regularly. I think you can remember if you do a few exercises from the subjects you have forgotten--I find that math is not the sort of thing that you can forget altogether because it is a process of thinking and logic. Do you have any of your old textbooks, or old notebooks with exercises? Skim through them and I think you may surprise yourself at how quickly you catch on :) I feel I need to have another look through on trig--so it happens, but as long as you review I think you will be fine :)
 
Hi cdotter! :smile:

Somehow I get the feeling you're studying the wrong way. It's very natural to forget a lot of the material, but the general ideas and methods should stick with you. HeLiXe has put in a nice example: trig. I can't for the life of me remember all the formula's with trigonometric formula's, but the general ideas should stick with you. That is, it's normal that you don't know the formula for sin(2x), but you should know what the sine represents and how to use it in triangles.
Studying mathematics shouldn't be about memorizing formula's or plug/chug exercises, but it should be about recognizing ideas.I guess that your problem is that you didn't study the ideas and the interconnections enough (correct me if I'm wrong).

Anyway, you say that you want to do medicine. I don't think that you can really afford to forget an entire course there. So I really advice you to rethink your study methods and change them if necessary.

Hmm, rereading my post, I might have sounded harsh. This didn't mean to. I just want to present some constructive criticism.
 
My retention problems are much worse in mathematics than physics/chemistry/biology. In a science class if I see something that seems like it has to be memorized I can look into formulas/derivations/concepts/experiments to get a glimpse of the underlying motivations. If I try "going deeper" in mathematics I just get more confused because each level is necessarily more complex and abstract. An example is my introductory ODE professor taught us about the Fredholm alternative by presenting it as a way to solve a specific ODE in a specific form (or at least I think it was a way of solving an ODE, I honestly cannot remember.) Rather than simply memorizing the procedure I tried to understand it. But I quickly found myself completely lost as the theory behind is far beyond my level and I had to resort to memorizing and regurgitating. I had similar problems in statistics, linear algebra, and vector calculus.
 
I'm a bit of an academic bulimic too.

This is mostly on stuff that I don't bother to understand conceptually (like programming syntax or anything to do with electronic circuits). I think the problem is that maths is a language, not a science, so can't be treated the same way. You have to use it to maintain fluency or it gets lost.
 

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