Accelerating expansion of the Universe

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The discussion centers on the nature of the universe's expansion, specifically whether it will continue to accelerate indefinitely or if there is a limit to its expansion rate. Participants explore theoretical models, particularly focusing on the role of dark energy in this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the universe's expansion is driven by dark (vacuum) energy, which becomes increasingly dominant as the universe expands, suggesting that the expansion rate will increase without limit.
  • Others argue that while the expansion continues to grow indefinitely, the expansion rate itself approaches a constant value, indicating that distances will grow by the same percentage over time.
  • A clarification is made regarding the difference between expansion (growth of the scale factor) and expansion rate (value of the Hubble parameter), with some participants emphasizing that constant expansion rate equates to exponential expansion.
  • One participant mentions the use of Jorrie’s calculator to analyze the scale factor and Hubble parameter, suggesting that the ΛCDM model indicates perpetual acceleration of the universe's expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the universe's expansion and its expansion rate, indicating that multiple competing models and interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these models.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific models like the ΛCDM model and assumptions regarding dark energy. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps in understanding the relationship between the scale factor and the Hubble parameter.

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Will the universe keep expanding faster and faster for all eternity or is there a limit to how fast the expansion will get?
 
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In the current model, the expansion is driven by the dark (vacuum) energy. As the universe expands, the vacuum energy becomes ever more dominant and the expansion rate increases without limit.
 
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PeroK said:
In the current model, the expansion is driven by the dark (vacuum) energy. As the universe expands, the vacuum energy becomes ever more dominant and the expansion rate increases without limit.
The expansion rate approaches the one corresponding to the vacuum energy. It is decreasing towards that value as total energy density decreases.
 
Orodruin said:
The expansion rate approaches the one corresponding to the vacuum energy. It is decreasing towards that value as total energy density decreases.
Huh? I thought @PeroK had it right. Can you explain your statement please?
 
To clarify the above exchange for the OP: there's a difference between expansion and expansion rate.

In the current model the former continues growing without limit, with distances growing ever faster, and approaching exponential expansion (meaning: any two sufficiently distant galaxies will recede faster and faster).
The latter decreases towards a constant value (meaning: every distance will eventually grow by the same percentage after the same amount of time).
Constant expansion rate equates exponential expansion.

In technical parlance expansion is the growth of the scale factor ##a##, i.e. ##\dot a>0##. While expansion rate is the value of the Hubble parameter ##H##.

Expansion:
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Expansion rate vs time:
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phinds said:
Huh? I thought @PeroK had it right. Can you explain your statement please?
What @Bandersnatch said.
 
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Jupiter60 said:
Summary:: Expansion

Will the universe keep expanding faster and faster for all eternity or is there a limit to how fast the expansion will get?

For models that assume a non-expanding universe, the scale factor, a, remains constant and the expansion rate, da/dt = 0.

In the Big Bang model, a(t) continues to increase and da/dt > 0.

Using Jorrie’s calculator, we can calculate a(t) and the Hubble parameter, H(t) (see Post #5). The expansion rate can be calculated with the equation,

da/dt = a(t) H(t) (see, for example, Hubble's law)​

The results are plotted below:

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The above figure suggests that, according to the ΛCDM model, the universe will keep expanding faster and faster forever (see Post #2).
 

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