Accelerating Particle: Proton Transformations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of particles, specifically protons and electrons, when subjected to acceleration in circular motion, particularly in the context of high-energy environments like the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Participants explore the implications of increasing energy input on particle transformations and the relevance of forces acting on particles in circular motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a proton accelerated in circular motion could experience forces great enough to transform it, introducing the concept of particle transformation.
  • Another participant challenges the relevance of electrons in the context of a proton's circular motion, seeking clarification on the original question.
  • A third participant notes that extensive experimental evidence suggests that protons moving in circular paths do not undergo transformations solely due to the forces involved.
  • In a follow-up, the original poster shifts focus to electrons in the LHC, asking about the effects of increasing energy input, even hypothetically to infinite levels.
  • A later reply asserts that based on current knowledge, no transformations would occur with infinite energy, but cautions that such a scenario involves unreasonable assumptions that could lead to nonsensical conclusions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relevance of electrons in the context of protons and the implications of energy input on particle behavior. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the nature of particle transformations under extreme conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption of infinite energy, which is not grounded in current physical understanding, and the unclear relationship between the forces acting on protons and potential transformations.

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i wanted to know whether if a particle let's say a proton is accelerated in a circular motion will there reach a point in time where the forces on the electron would be so great that it will transform the particle
 
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I don't think the question makes sense. You're moving a proton in a circular path, where does an electron come into this?
 
I'd like to know where the electron comes into this one as well.

Unrelated to that, we have sent protons around circles a lot. There's nothing so far in both what we have observed experimentally, and in the physics, that would indicate any kind of transformation of a proton JUST simply from it moving in a circle and under such forces. Thus, I'm curious to find out from the OP as to the impetus of such a question.

Zz.
 
Make sure your questions make sense before asking them...
 
guys thanks for the correction all i wanted to ask is that if a particle let's say an electron is sent through a LHC and we keep increasing the input energy what will happen to the particle let's assume we have infinite energy
 
towuzzi said:
guys thanks for the correction all i wanted to ask is that if a particle let's say an electron is sent through a LHC and we keep increasing the input energy what will happen to the particle let's assume we have infinite energy

Based on our present knowledge, nothing. But our present knowledge does not include availability of "infinite energy". So you're asking us to use unreasonable assumption to make reasonable conclusion, which often produces absurd answers.

Zz.
 

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