Acceleration as a function of distance

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a particle traveling along a circular path with a specified radius and initial speed, experiencing a tangential acceleration that varies with distance. The goal is to determine the magnitude of the particle's acceleration after a set time period.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to relate tangential acceleration to velocity and distance, with some suggesting a simpler analysis using perpendicular axes. Others express confusion about integrating acceleration as a function of distance versus time.

Discussion Status

There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants offering alternative approaches to find velocity as a function of time. Guidance has been provided on differentiating equations and integrating to relate variables, but no consensus has been reached on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the tangential acceleration is not constant and is defined as a function of distance, which complicates the analysis. There is also acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings in previous posts regarding the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and distance.

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Homework Statement


A particle is traveling along a circular curve with radius 20m. It has an initial speed of 22m/s and then begins to decrease its speed at a rate of a=(-0.25s) m/s2. Determine the magnitude of the acceleration of the particle two seconds later.

Homework Equations


ac=v2/r
a=dv/dt
v=dx/dt

x2 + y2 = R2

The Attempt at a Solution


I integrated the acceleration with respect to s and then set that equal to ds/dt.
ds/dt = -0.125s2
Then I moved things around so I had ds/s2 = -0.125dt and integrated both sides. I then end up with a final solution of s=8/t, which i took the derivative of to get velocity, v = -8/t2 and took the derivative again to get acceleration, a = 16/t3. Then I took the original velocity 22m/s and subtracted the velocity found using the above equation, and used this final velocity to find the centripetal acceleration. Then I used the above equation for acceleration to find the component of the acceleration perpendicular to the radius, squared this and added it to the square of the centripetal acceleration, took the square root and well... got the wrong answer. Help?
 
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Although I can't quite understand what you have done , I would suggest a much simpler approach wherein you analyse along two perpendicular axes, one perpendicular to velocity and one along it.
There is constant tangential acceleration along the the direction of velocity. The acceleration along the perpendicular to velocity is variable and a function of the tangential velocity, and hence time as the tangential velocity itself varies with time.
You basically find out velocity after the given time period, which will depend only on tangential acceleration. This can be used to find out centripetal acceleration. Tangential acceleration is constant. You can add the two vectors.
 
Thats what I was trying to do (find out velocity at that given time), but with the tangential acceleration given as a function of the distance and not the time, I can integrate it to get what the velocity function would be but that is still as a function of distance, not time. So I need to somehow get the velocity as a function of time instead of distance.
And the tangential acceleration is not constant, a = -0.25s where s is the distance
 
Very sorry ! I missed the 's'.
 
You can differentiate the eqn. a = -0.25*s and obtain the velocity gradient dv/ds. You know a = v* dv/ds and a = dv/dt. A little arrangement and integration will give velocity as function of time and then integrating again you have distance as function of time.
 
This is simply crazy. Rather I am crazy.
The earlier post was completely wrong. Sorry!
Actually a = -0.25*s
a = v*dv/ds.
Now you see that if you combine the two eqns. you have just v and x in the eqn. v = dx/dt so now there is just x and t in the equation.
 

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