Acceleration as a function of time and position

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of acceleration as a function of position and time in three-dimensional space. Participants explore potential equations and generalizations from one-dimensional cases, considering both scalar and vector forms, as well as connections to fluid mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a generalization of the one-dimensional acceleration equation to three dimensions, suggesting an expression involving the velocity components and their spatial derivatives.
  • Another participant mentions that in one dimension, acceleration can be derived as the second derivative of the equation of motion, and suggests that a similar approach can be applied in multiple dimensions using parametric equations.
  • A different viewpoint is presented where the acceleration is expressed in terms of the magnitude of velocity and the gradient of velocity, with a participant noting uncertainty about the necessity of using the magnitude of velocity in this context.
  • One participant questions whether the material derivative of acceleration, commonly used in fluid mechanics, applies to ordinary particles, indicating a potential assumption that may not hold in this scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and approaches regarding the formulation of acceleration, but there is no consensus on a single equation or method. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the applicability of the material derivative and the correct formulation in three dimensions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the lack of derivations and the reliance on intuition or gut feelings in their proposed equations. There are also mentions of unresolved assumptions and the need for clarity on the conditions under which certain equations apply.

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I'm quite curious as to whether there is an equation (whether it be in scalar, vector, or tensor form) that defines the acceleration of a particle as a function of the three space coordinates and time.

My curiosity arose when I was thinking of the one dimensional equation:
a = v*(dv/dx); where the acceleration and velocity are only defined in the x-direction.

I thought the generalization to three dimensions would be:
a = vx*(dvx/dx)i + vy*(dvy/dy)j + vz*(dvz/dz)k

To include the time variable I thought it might just be the material derivative of acceleration (like in fluid mechanics).

These assumptions are just based on my gut feeling (I have done no derivation whatsoever). Is there an actual equation?
 
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Well I don't know if there is a general equation (which there probably is), but in one dimension you are just looking for the second derivative of the equation of motion of the body.

In more than one dimension you can just split it up into an arbitrary amount of simultaneous parametric equations, and once again its the second derivative of each individual equation.

Once again there might be a general rule, but what I just said above will definitely work.
 
Ali said:
I thought the generalization to three dimensions would be:
a = vx*(dvx/dx)i + vy*(dvy/dy)j + vz*(dvz/dz)k

In one dimension we can say dV/dt=(dx/dt)(dV/dx)=Vx(dV/dx) (but the sub x notation isn't needed because there is only one velocity, and its in x)

but for 3 dimensions, instead of x we use R

so dV/dt=(dR/dt)(dV/dR)=V*(dV/dR)

and

dV/dR = ( \partial V/ \partial x )i +( \partial V/ \partial y )j +( \partial V/ \partial z )k

so

a = |V|*\left[( \partial V/ \partial x )i +( \partial V/ \partial y )j +( \partial V/ \partial z )k \right]

I believe you have to use the magnitude of V, rather than dotting V into dV/dR, for some reason. I can't explain/remember why, but I think this is how it is supposed to be. Could be wrong, idk. but that's my 2 cents, hope it helps
 
elegysix said:
a = |V|*\left[( \partial V/ \partial x )i +( \partial V/ \partial y )j +( \partial V/ \partial z )k \right]

- The equation seems right, but then again why wouldn't the material derivative of acceleration apply (as in fluid mechanics). Is there an assumption I am missing that doesn't apply to ordinary particles? The equation is:

\vec{a} = \frac{D\vec{v}}{Dt} = \vec{v}\cdot(\vec{\nabla}\vec{v}) + \frac{\partial \vec{v}}{\partial t}
 

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