Acceleration between two frames

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The discussion revolves around the concept of acceleration between two frames of reference and how to represent this mathematically, particularly when the frames are moving away from a particle at a specified acceleration. The subject area includes kinematics and vector analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to express the acceleration of two frames moving away from a particle at a specific angle. There are attempts to apply vector equations and clarify the relationships between the accelerations of the frames and the particle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the correctness of their visualizations and mathematical representations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of vectors and the importance of drawing diagrams to represent the relationships between the accelerations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the clarity of the problem statement and its implications, with some suggesting that the problem may be ill-posed. There is also a focus on the assumptions made about the acceleration vectors and their magnitudes.

  • #31
kuruman said:
I do not disagree either with you or with @haruspex. All I am pointing out is that since the statement of the question does not exclude my example explicitly, choice (d) must be True in that case also. True means True in all scenarios that match the parameters of the problem else the parameters need to be sharpened, in this case by saying that the accelerations are in straight lines that could form any angle between them.
Sorry, that's absurdist logic. If someone has a British coin, say, then it could be anything from 1p to £2. That's the answer - it could be anyone of those. If you have a 5p piece, you can't declare that to be an exception to the rule - because it's only one of the possibilities and not them all simultaneously.
 
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  • #32
I don't think I explained my point in a way that can be understood. I will have to rethink how to go about it.
 
  • #33
kuruman said:
I don't think I explained my point in a way that can be understood. I will have to rethink how to go about it.
The problem is that you have picked a particular case of the possible cases. Based only on the information in the problem, there are other cases that would satisfy the other values. The question is about what values are possible given the information given, not a particular case.
 
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  • #34
PeroK said:
then it could be anything from 1p to £2
I’d like a ##\pi## pence coin, please. ;)
 
  • #35
vela said:
Both diagrams are wrong. You made the same mistake earlier in the thread. See posts 5 through 9.

That said, your reasoning about the range of magnitudes of ##\vec a_{S1,S2}## is correct.

I'll add that you really shouldn't need us to confirm the correctness of your answers. You need to construct your understanding so that you can be reasonably confident on your own that an answer is correct, not relying one some authority to tell you that.
I haven't studied physics since 2010 and that was just basic stuff, so anything I think is correct is probably not.
Anyway, I hope the below is correct.
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  • #36
Both diagrams are wrong. You made the same mistake earlier in the thread.
Monsterboy said:
I haven't studied physics since 2010 and that was just basic stuff, so anything I think is correct is probably not. Anyway, I hope the below is correct.
We all make mistakes, so it's important to develop the ability to check your work and find those mistakes. For example, when you drew the first diagram, you could have also written down the equation it represents by interpreting the diagram. Then you would have hopefully seen the subscripts were messed up and realized the diagram had a problem. By getting in the habit of looking at the same concept in different ways, you'll start to see how they all fit together.

Monsterboy said:
The second diagram is still wrong.
 
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  • #37
vela said:
The second diagram is still wrong.
Ok, when I tried parallelogram, I figured I was putting ##-\vec{a}_{P, S2} ## on the wrong side.
1635318376848.png

This must be right.
 
  • #38
That's right. :smile:
 
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  • #39
Thanks all, for the support!
 

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