Acceleration-Constant speed-Deceleration over fixed distance and time

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The discussion revolves around determining the position of a camera as it undergoes acceleration, constant speed, and deceleration over a fixed distance and time for stop-motion animation. The original poster outlines a scenario involving three phases of motion, with specific time intervals and a total distance to be covered.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking the motion into three segments, questioning the relationships between time, acceleration, and displacement. There is an exploration of how to relate the unknown accelerations and distances based on the fixed total distance and time.

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Some participants have offered restatements of the problem to clarify relationships between the variables. There is ongoing exploration of how to express these relationships mathematically, with some confusion noted regarding the correct ratios and implications of the motion phases.

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Participants express uncertainty about the relationships between the time intervals and the corresponding distances, as well as the implications of acceleration on the overall motion. There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by having multiple unknowns in the equations.

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Homework Statement



Determine the position of an object at regular intervals as it accelerates at a constant rate for an unknown length of time, then the acceleration falls to 0 for a given time, then abruptly acceleration goes negative till reaching 0.

the purpose of the calculation is to plot out camera moves for stopmotion animation. the camera begins at a dead stop then is accelerated smoothly to a given speed then decelerated to a stop again. the time over which this takes place is fixed as is the distance the camera travels. the variable here is the number of frames (time intervals of 1/24 second) the accelerations take place over. the are not always the same and one may be zero.

Homework Equations



velocity & time:
v=vo+at

displacement & time:
x=xo+vot+(1/2)at2

velocity & displacement:
v2=vo2+2a\Deltax

The Attempt at a Solution



This is an example problem that the formula I'm trying to figure out would be used to solve.

Ex: The camera move takes place over 15 seconds, or 360 frames (shot at 24 fps) the distance it travels is 29.5 inches (I apologize for the use of imperial units, the dolly rig has a standard threaded leadscrew) The lead in (initial acceleration) takes place over 12 frames (0.5 seconds) the camera moves at a constant speed for a length of time that is dependent upon the 2 periods of acceleration, then the camera has a lead out (deceleration) that takes place over 24 frames (1 second)
I think I need to break the move into 3 parts, Moves 1,2 and 3 or M1, M2 and M3

for M1 all I know is Time, that portion of the move takes 0.5 seconds.
I don't know distance traveled because it's dependent upon M2 and M3 and I don't know acceleration because I don't know displacement

for M2 I know Time again, 13.5 seconds, Acceleration is zero but displacement is dependent upon M1 and M3

for M3 the case is identical to M1 with Time being 1 second

I know the Total Displacement of the 3 moves but have no idea how to solve for so many unknowns with anything but trial and error. This must be possible as I've seen powerful software programs that operate motion control rigs produce results with only the information I have in my problem. any Help here would be greatly appreciated

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Hi Puppetworks! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Let's rephrase your question …

there are three periods, lasting (in seconds) t1 = 0.5, t2 = 13.5, and t3 = 1.0 …

they have three accelerations, a1 and a3 (unknown), and a2 = 0 …

and three distances x1 x2 and x3, with x1 + x2 + x3 = 29.5.​

ok, you know the final speed of part 1 is the initial speed of part 3, and t3 = 2t1, so that tells you the relation between a3 and a1 is … ? :smile:

From that, you can get a relation between x3 and x1, which should simplify the whole thing enough for you to solve the problem. :wink:
 
boy do I wish it hadn't been 10 years since I was in Physics 30... or Math30C for that matter.

Thanks Tiny Tim, your restatement made things a lot clearer for me, I think.

so if t1 is 0.5 and t3 is 1 then the relationship between a1 and a3 is 2:1 making the relationship between x1 and x3 1:2

so 29.5=x1+x2+x
or 29.5=x1+x2+2x1
or 29.5=3x1+x2

I know I'm missing something here since I still have 2 variables to solve for.

I may also have taken your help and run off in a completely wrong direction...
 
puppetworks said:
so if t1 is 0.5 and t3 is 1 then the relationship between a1 and a3 is 2:1 making the relationship between x1 and x3 1:2

Isn't it 2:1 ?

(and you've confused x2 and x3 in your next equations. :redface:)
 
so i had it backwards, relationship of t1 to t3 is 1:2 and relationship of x1 to x3 is 2:1

I'm worried that I've misunderstood my problem. doesn't this mean that the distance traveled during t3 is less than during t1? even though the displacement takes place over twice the time interval? the acceleration curve I want to achieve would be something like : 0.25;0.5;1;2;4;8;16;32;64 etc. Where each subsequent change in displacement is a constant percentage of it's predecessor. in this case 200%

so a complete move like the one I'm trying to devise a calculator for might look like the following with the numbers representing change in position, not absolute position:

1-2-4-8-16-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-24-18-13.5-10.125-7.6-5.7-4.3-3.2-2.4-1.8-1.3-1-0.75

the rate of increase in the first part is 200% and the rate of decrease at the end is 75%

have i misunderstood the nature of my problem or the direction given?
 
puppetworks said:
so i had it backwards, relationship of t1 to t3 is 1:2 and relationship of x1 to x3 is 2:1

I'm getting confused. :confused:

I don't think that's right either.

Write out all the equations in full, and we'll check. :smile:
 

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