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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around accessing a specific academic paper from a non-free journal, particularly in the context of a lab report involving a numerical molecular simulation of water. Participants explore various methods to obtain the paper without incurring costs, reflecting on academic practices related to referencing literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about referencing a paper they cannot access due to its cost and questions the commonality of citing unread papers in academia.
  • Another participant suggests checking for free online access through the university's resources, including proxy servers.
  • It is noted that universities often have subscriptions to many journals, but access may not always be guaranteed due to potential lapses in subscription renewals.
  • Participants recommend asking librarians for assistance in obtaining articles, highlighting interlibrary loan systems as a potential resource.
  • Some participants mention that authors may provide free access to their papers on personal websites or respond positively to direct requests for copies.
  • A participant shares a link to a related paper found online, indicating the possibility of finding resources through broader searches.
  • There is a suggestion that one should avoid paying for access, as alternative methods often exist to obtain papers for free.
  • Another participant emphasizes the utility of Google Scholar and accessing library e-journals from home as useful strategies for finding academic papers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of exploring various avenues to access academic papers without cost, but no consensus is reached on the best method, as multiple suggestions are offered.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty of library access to specific journals, potential budget constraints affecting library services, and the variability of interlibrary loan systems across different regions.

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I'm assignated to do a lab report which consist of a numerical molecular simulation of water with a very particular water model. My program is already running but my professor didn't talk a lot about the model in particular. At this point -and I think it's totally fair-, we're expected to search/learn most stuff on our own. So I made some researches on the internet about this very particular model and apparently it was invented in 2004 and is explained in details in a paper in the Journal of Chemical Physics. I would like to read more about it just by curiosity.
Nevertheless it costs 28$ and I'm a person that doesn't save a single dollar per month, so 28$ would be too much in my case, especially if it's 9 pages long and I'm just "curious" about it. This would be as expensive as a textbook that could help me for a year.
I went to the library of the physics campus of my university today and asked if they had the journal. They only have that journal for years 2000 to 2002, unfortunately.
So here I am, tempting to write in the lab report "we use the water model XXXX[1].. [1]:J. Chem. Phys. 120, 6085 (2004); http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.1652434" without having read or even seen the paper I mention. Maybe it's common in academia to make reference to papers one has never read?! I have in mind "Annalen der phyzik" and people making reference to Einstein maybe without having read the original paper(s). But anyway I think that's strange and would rather not do it. But if I don't make reference to that paper it's like as if I had not searched at all about the paper which is untrue and it does interests me learning more about it.
I don't really know what to do about this situation. Is there a free way to see the paper (I wouldn't download it if it's not free, but I want to see it and read through it)?
 
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Have you checked that your university does not have free online access? For example, I know out of experience that I can access almost any non-obscure journal using a proxy server from my university.
 
Oh Interesting. I know the guy at the library well, I think he would have told me to check out online if it was possible. However I'm going to try tomorrow in case it works.
 
Yes, most universities have subscriptions to many scientific journals that you can at least access at the library.

Whether they're actually accessible at the time you need them could be a different story. Someone actually has to remember to renew those subscriptions (or licenses for software that the university uses, for that matter). If a journal is seldom used, the staff could forget to renew the subscription and it could be quite a while before someone notices and complains. (And then they could look at the date the subscription expired and how long it took for someone to complain and decide maybe they don't really need that after all.)
 
Even if a library does not have a subscription, ask a librarian to see if he/she can get the article for you. In many cases, academic institutions have agreements with other institutions whereby they can get books, papers, etc. sent to them even if they don't have it or don't subscribe to it.

In other words, never let a "no, we don't have them" stop you from ASKING for something.

Zz.
 
fluidistic said:
Oh Interesting. I know the guy at the library well, I think he would have told me to check out online if it was possible.

Like everybody else, the librarian has to work within a budget, so he might not want to tell students how to spend lots of library money by looking up papers at random:smile:

But as Zz said, the purpose of librarians is to help you find the information you need, even if they sometimes appear to do the opposite!
 
Alternately, many proud authors link to PDF's of their work on their homepages, and also just mailing the author, showing interest in his work and asking for a copy, gave a surprisingly high response rate.
 
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ZapperZ said:
Even if a library does not have a subscription, ask a librarian to see if he/she can get the article for you.

In the US, most libraries are part of an interlibrary loan system, which allows people to borrow or obtain materials from any library in the system by routing their request through their "home" library. Other countries may or may not have similar systems.
 
Anyway: http://home.icpf.cas.cz/ivonez/AAA_TODAY/TIP5P-E.pdf

Found with this search.
 
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I think the moral of the story is never pay for online access, there's always a way to get it for free
 
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Thanks a lot guys. I couldn't access the computers at my university because classes were taught in the 2 rooms with computers. Furthermore the librarian I know well (even had a drink with him and other friends) wasn't there so I would have tried tomorrow. But apparently Andre found the paper on the Internet. It is exactly what I needed. I had searched with the title included within "'s and missed the 2nd link in google.
Anyway I'll ask if I can access to that journal from my university for future researches.
So once again, thanks a lot all and I must say I was lucky thanks to you. :smile:
 
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You're welcome, :smile: note that the addition "filetype:pdf" filters out a lot of noise.
 
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fluidistic said:
Oh Interesting. I know the guy at the library well, I think he would have told me to check out online if it was possible. However I'm going to try tomorrow in case it works.

Hi Fluidistic,

You can often find things on Google Scholar too.
But you should be able to access your library's ejournals from your computer at home.
If you don't know how, for sure check with the library staff. It's an essential tool.

NQ :-)
 

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