Acetylation- acetic acid or acetic anhydride

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The discussion revolves around the acetylation process in the production of p-acetylaminotoluene from p-toluidine, specifically questioning whether acetic acid or acetic anhydride acts as the acetylating species. The scope includes experimental observations and chemical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions which of the two reagents, acetic acid or acetic anhydride, is the acetylating species based on their experimental results.
  • Another participant suggests examining the quantities of both chemicals used in the experiment to determine the acetylating agent.
  • The original poster expresses confusion about how the quantities relate to identifying the acetylating species.
  • One participant notes that acetic acid is an acid and p-toluidine is a base, prompting a consideration of the reaction dynamics between an acid and a base.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on which reagent is the acetylating species, and multiple viewpoints regarding the role of acetic acid and acetic anhydride remain in discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the specific mechanisms of acetylation or the implications of the quantities of reagents used, leaving these aspects unresolved.

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I did an experiment in one of the labs and I have a question I need to figure out.
The experiment was the porduction of p-acetylaminotoluene, from p-toluidine.
My question is we used acetic acid and acetic anhydride, but which is the acetyalting species.
I thought of looking at the structures of them but that kinda just confused me more.
I know that acetic anhydride is used to acetylate secondary and primary alcohols sometimes, but it gives a lower yield.
I got quite a high yield so I thought that the acetic acid might have been the acetylating species.

If anyone could just point me in the right direction that would be gr8. I am goin to ask my demonstrator today but any help would still be much appreciated.
 
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Have a look at the quantities of both chemicals you used, if that doesn't point you in the right direction post all the numbers here and I'll have a look at them for you.
 
I used 4ml of acetic acid and 6ml of acetic anhydride.
I don't know how knowing how much I put in shows which is the acetylating species?
 
acetic acid is an acid and toluidine is an amine base. What happens when you combine an acid with a base?
 

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