Reduction of a ketone using zinc in acetic acid

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The discussion revolves around the reduction of a ketone using zinc in acetic acid, specifically in the context of a chemistry tutoring scenario. Participants explore the reactions involved in ozonolysis, acid-catalyzed dehydration, and the structural implications of these reactions on the starting material and products.

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  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the degree of unsaturation in the compound and discusses the potential presence of a carbonyl group or an alcohol, suggesting that the reaction with H2SO4 indicates an alcohol.
  • Another participant clarifies that ozonolysis does not produce ketones directly and requires a reductive workup, implying a more complex reaction pathway.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the versatility of ozonolysis, noting that different products can arise depending on the workup method used.
  • Another participant proposes a structural interpretation of the starting material as two cyclopentane rings bridged by a sigma bond, discussing the outcomes of acid-catalyzed dehydration and subsequent ozonolysis.
  • One participant reflects on the difficulty of the question posed in the exam, indicating that it would have been challenging for a first-year student.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the reactions involved and the structural interpretations of the compounds, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the reduction process or the exact nature of the products formed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the details of the zinc reduction process and its role in converting ketones or aldehydes into cyclic ketones. There are also unresolved aspects concerning the specific structures of the compounds involved.

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I'm going to be giving a 1st year student chemistry tutoring so I'm going over some of his past exam papers to make sure I know all the stuff but I'm already at a question I can't do:
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So from the formula, I can see that the degree of unsaturation for the compound is 2. there's at least one C=C bond in there but the oxygen could either be a carbonyl group or an alcohol. Seeing as it reacts with H2SO4, I assume its an alcohol and the reaction it undergoes is an acid catalysed dehydration of the -OH group. This will yield the alkene. Then ozonolysis breaks the alkene into 2 ketones or aldehydes. Its the final part that has me confused. I don't know what this zinc reduction is and how it could convert ketones or aldehydes into a cyclic ketone.
 
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Also, ozonolysis doesn't produce the ketone directly. The trioxolane it produces requires a reductive workup.
 
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Thanks. Ozonolysis is an even more useful reaction than I thought, I didn't know you can get different products depending on the workup.
 
So, do you have an idea about the structures of A,B and the starting material?
 
Yeah, the starting compound is two cyclopentane rings bridged by a sigma bond. There is a hydroxyl group attached to one of the bridge carbons. The acid catalysed dehydration either turns the bridge into a double bond (ozonolysis of this product yields 2 molecules of cyclopentanone) or else turns a neighbouring bond into a double bond (ozonolysis of this one yields a molecule with an aldehyde at one end of the chain, a ketone in the middle and a cyclopentane ring at the other end of the chain). Thats a tricky question for a 1st year exam paper in my opinion. The rest of the questions were fairly straightforward, but that one would have definitely caught me out in first year. I tried explaining this to the guy I was tutoring but he didn't know about acid catalysed dehydrations and was only vaguely familiar with ozonolysis reactions so I just taught him about ozonolysis reactions and moved onto the next question.
 
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That's what I thought as well and you're right about that being a tricky question for first semester O-chem.
 

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