Activity Definition: Is T Temp of Current State?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of chemical activity and its relationship to temperature in both current and standard states. Participants explore whether the temperatures of these states can differ and the implications of such differences on the mathematical definitions of chemical potential and activity.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the temperature T in the activity definition is the current temperature, while questioning if the temperatures of the current and standard states can differ.
  • Others agree that the temperatures can differ, suggesting that this affects the validity of the activity definition.
  • A participant presents an integral form of the chemical potential that incorporates temperature changes, indicating that the standard definition may not hold under varying temperatures.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of differentials in the context of chemical potential and activity, with some arguing that certain expressions are tautological or misleading.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of changing temperature and pressure on chemical potential, proposing equations that relate these variables to activity.
  • There is a suggestion that the activity should be defined at the same temperature and pressure as the corresponding standard state, challenging the notion of arbitrary temperatures in the definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the temperatures of the current and standard states can differ and the implications of this on the definitions of chemical potential and activity. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct interpretation and application of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved assumptions about the independence of temperature and pressure in the context of chemical activity, as well as the dependence of certain variables on the chosen path in the integral formulations.

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The definition of activity is:
$$\mu _{i}=\mu _{i}^{0}+RT\cdot \ln a_{i}$$
where μi is the chemical potential of i in current state and μi0 is the chemical potential of i in standard state.
The current and standard state have the same temperature or can their temperature differ?
If their temperature can differ, than T in the definition equation is the temperature of current state?
 
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##T## is the current temperature. Lemma is pretty clear about that !
 
BvU said:
##T## is the current temperature. Lemma is pretty clear about that !
But I'm asking if the temperature of current state and standard state can differ. Probably yes but it is not mentioned within the definition on wikipedia.
 
Yes they certainly can.
 
In such a case this definition is not equivalent to the definition of activity:
$$d\mu _{i}=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}$$ $$a_{i}^{0}=1$$
because when integrating with changing temperature, I generally do not obtain this equation:
$$\mu _{i}-\mu _{i}^{0}=RT\cdot \ln a_{i}$$
 
What do you obtain ?
 
In that case I have an integral:

$$\mu _{i}-\mu _{i}^{0}=R\cdot \int_{a_{i}^{0}}^{a_{i}} T(a_{i})\cdot d\ln a_{i}$$
 
I don't recognize $$ d\mu _{i}=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}$$ as a definition. ##a## is not an independent variable, so ##T(a)## seems weird.

The expression is kind of a tautology when I substitute the definition : ##\ d\mu _{i} = d(\mu _{i} - \mu _{i}^\ominus)##

Check here under activity and activity coefficients

Alternatively we can consult @Chestermiller who might well have a didactically more responsible answer
 
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BvU said:
dμi=d(μi−μ⊖i)
That is not true. It that case μi should be always zero.
 
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No. It is a constant. So the ## \ d(\mu _{i}^\ominus) = 0 ##.
 
  • #11
BvU said:
No. It is a constant. So the ## \ d(\mu _{i}^\ominus) = 0 ##.
Now I don't know what you wanted to show, but i is the infinitesimal change of chemical potential of i during the infinitesimal process (eg. addition of dni).
 
  • #12
And here's me thinking $$ \mu_i = \left ( \partial G\over \partial N_i \right )_{T,P,N_{j\ne i}}$$ (fortunately some others seem to think so too).

ussername said:
I don't know what you wanted to show
What I showed is that ##d\mu_i = d\left ( RT\ln a_i \right ) \ ## boils down to ##d\mu_i = d\mu_i \ ## if you insert ##\ a_i = e^{\mu_i-\mu^\ominus_i\over RT}\ ##, not very surprising and not very interesting.

If you define $$a_i \equiv e^{\mu_i-\mu^\ominus_i\over RT}$$ then trivially and without integrating, just taking logarithms: $$\mu_i=\mu^\ominus_i+ RT\ln a_i $$ And we could have ended this thread after post #2.
 
  • #13
What I wanted to say:
if we take the definition:
$$\mu_i=\mu^\ominus_i+ RT\ln a_i $$
for arbitrary ##T,T^\ominus##, than this is not valid:

$$d\mu_i = d\left ( RT\ln a_i \right ) $$
 
  • #14
Why not ?
 
  • #15
Sorry I meant:
$$d\mu_i = RT\cdot d\ln a_i $$
 
  • #16
Is wrong. T is not a constant like R
 
  • #17
Yes the total differential should be probably:
$$d\mu _{i}(dT,dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}(dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})+R\cdot \ln a_{i}\cdot dT$$
 
  • #18
ussername said:
Yes the total differential should be probably:
$$d\mu _{i}(dT,dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}(dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})+R\cdot \ln a_{i}\cdot dT$$
Differentials aren't functions of differentials!
 
  • #19
For fixed concentrations ##d \mu_i=-s_i dT +v_i dP## where ##s_i## and ##v_i## are molar entropy and volume, respectively.
A similar equation holds for the standard chemical potential.
##d \mu^\ominus_i=-s^\ominus_i dT +v^\ominus_i dP##, with the standard molar entropy and volume.
So if you change T, you get
##\mu(T)=\mu^\ominus(T) +RT_0 \ln a_i(T_0) -(\int_{T_0}^T (s_i(T')-s^\ominus(T')) dT')= \mu^\ominus(T) +RT \ln a_i(T)## which you may easily solve for ##a_i(T)##.
 
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  • #20
Also the change of chemical potential with temperature resp. pressure is:
$$\left( \frac{\partial \mu_i}{\partial T} \right)_{p,\vec{n}} = - \overline{S}_i$$ $$\left( \frac{\partial \mu_i}{\partial p} \right)_{T,\vec{n}} = \overline{V}_i$$
DrDu said:
##\mu(T)=\mu^\ominus(T) +RT_0 \ln a_i(T_0) -(\int_{T_0}^T (s_i(T')-s^\ominus(T')) dT')= \mu^\ominus(T) +RT \ln a_i(T)##

Also the chemical activity can be defined for current state and standard state with arbitrary temperature and pressure:
$$\mu_i(T,p) \equiv \mu_i^0(T^0,p^0) + RT \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T,p,T^0,p^0) \right) $$

And the correction of chemical activity with changing temperature and pressure of current resp. standard state is:
$$RT' \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T',p',T_{std}',p_{std}') \right) = RT \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T,p,T_{std},p_{std}) \right) - \int_{T}^{T'} \overline{S}_i\, dT + \int_{T_{std}}^{T_{std}'} \overline{S}_{std,i} \, dT + \int_{p}^{p'} \overline{V}_i\, dp - \int_{p_{std}}^{p_{std}'} \overline{V}_{std,i}\, dp$$
 
  • #21
ussername said:
Also the chemical activity can be defined for current state and standard state with arbitrary temperature and pressure:
$$\mu_i(T,p) \equiv \mu_i^0(T^0,p^0) + RT \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T,p,T^0,p^0) \right) $$
I think the activity is always defined for the same temperature and pressure as the corresponding standard state. So I won't assume a to depend on two temperatures and pressures.
And the correction of chemical activity with changing temperature and pressure of current resp. standard state is:
Take in mind that the two integrals over T and p aren't independent. Rather it is a line integral over both variables. Only for a special path, like ##(p_0, T_0) \to (p_0, T'_0) \to (p'_0, T'_0)## can this integral be written as two consecutive integrals over T (at fixed ##p_0##) and p (at fixed ##T'_0##).
 

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