Actual infinity vs. potentially infinity - Math philosophy

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The discussion centers on the philosophical distinctions between actual infinity and potential infinity, exploring their implications in mathematics and foundational concepts. Participants engage with the topic from a theoretical perspective, examining how these concepts relate to abstract mathematical structures rather than physical realities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the distinction between actual and potential infinity is often misunderstood, particularly regarding the influence of physical limitations on the discussion.
  • One participant expresses alignment with the majority view among mathematicians that accepts actual infinities.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the debate is rooted in philosophical and foundational issues rather than physical constraints.
  • A participant seeks clarification on specific terms used in the discussion, indicating a need for further explanation of the concepts involved.
  • One participant references a quote from Dedekind to illustrate a perspective on the nature of space and its continuity, suggesting that abstract thought can influence our understanding of mathematical concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of actual versus potential infinity, and multiple competing views remain regarding their philosophical significance and relevance to mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on philosophical interpretations and the abstract nature of mathematical sets, which may not directly correlate with physical quantities.

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what the differences between actual infinity to potentially infinity?
 
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Have you searched for this? I get a wiki-article, some articles (scholarly and otherwise) and a few videos that claim to provide explanations.
(For example, to my relief, I just learned from this that I apparently side with the majority of mathematicians that "accept actual infinities".)

If you have a more specific question, I am quite sure there are more capable people here to answer it.

Note: I think one of the confusions that often appears in such discussions, is that people oppose the actually infinite on the grounds of limitations imposed by physical reality. This is not correct: Rather, the discussion does not depend on physical, but philosophical and foundational constraints.
 
Janssens said:
Have you searched for this? I get a wiki-article, some articles (scholarly and otherwise) and a few videos that claim to provide explanations.
(For example, to my relief, I just learned from this that I apparently side with the majority of mathematicians that "accept actual infinities".)

If you have a more specific question, I am quite sure there are more capable people here to answer it.

Note: I think one of the confusions that often appears in such discussions, is that people oppose the actually infinite on the grounds of limitations imposed by physical reality. This is not correct: Rather, the discussion does not depend on physical, but philosophical and foundational constraints.
I don't understand the bold and underline texts.
Can you explain it?
 
highmath said:
I don't understand the bold and underline texts.
Can you explain it?

Physical quantities such as mass and velocity have a finite magnitude. (In the case of velocity, there is even a particular upper bound.) However, this is not relevant in the context of "actual vs. potential infinity", because in that context we are concerned with sets as abstract mathematical structures, not as representations of the values of physical quantities.
 
I find a quote from Dedekind somewhat apropos: "If space has at all a real existence it is not necessary for it to be continuous; ... And if we knew for certain that space was discontinuous there would be nothing to prevent us, in case we so desired, from filling up its gaps, in thought, and thus making it continuous;"

Dedekind, "Continuity and Irrational Numbers" in "Essays On the Theory of Numbers"; translation by Wooster Woodruff Beman.
 

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