Addition of Angular Momenta - Degeneracy

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The discussion revolves around the combination of angular momenta, specifically examining the total number of states when combining angular momenta ##j_1## and ##j_2##. The original poster attempts to show that the total number of states is ##(2j_1 +1)(2j_2 +1)##, but there is a discrepancy regarding the expected result of ##(2j_1 +1)(2j_2 +2)##.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the number of possible orientations for two gyros and question the validity of the original statement. There are attempts to compute the sum explicitly and to rewrite the sums for clarity. Some participants suggest relabeling indices to apply known sum formulas.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, with participants providing guidance on rewriting sums and questioning assumptions about the equality of states before and after mixing. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumption ##j_1 \geq j_2## simplifies the rewriting of sums. The discussion also highlights the potential error in the original problem statement regarding the expected number of states.

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Homework Statement



Show that when angular momenta ##j_1## and ##j_2## are combined, the total number of states is ##(2j_1 +1)(2j_1+2)##

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For the two gyros in the box, there are ##2j_1 +1## possible orientations of the first gyro, and for each of these orientations, the second gyro can be oriented in ##2j_2+1## ways.

So shouldn't the total number of ways be ##(2j_1+1)(2j_2+1)##?
 
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Yes, there is an error in the question. While your reasoning is valid, I think the setter wants you to actually compute the sum on the LHS explicitly.
 
CAF123 said:
Yes, there is an error in the question. While your reasoning is valid, I think the setter wants you to actually compute the sum on the LHS explicitly.

How would I compute it explicitly?
 
Rewrite the sum like $$\sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2} 2J+1 = 2\sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2}J + \sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2} 1$$

Try to relabel the indices on each of these sums on the RHS so that you can use the well-known sum formula for the sum of the first ##n## positive integers. To use that, relabel the indices such that the sum starts at J=0.

The supposition is that ##j_1 \geq j_2## so ##j_1 - j_2## is non-negative which means rewriting the sums is a bit easier.
 
CAF123 said:
Rewrite the sum like $$\sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2} 2J+1 = 2\sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2}J + \sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2} 1$$

Try to relabel the indices on each of these sums on the RHS so that you can use the well-known sum formula for the sum of the first ##n## positive integers. To use that, relabel the indices such that the sum starts at J=0.

The supposition is that ##j_1 \geq j_2## so ##j_1 - j_2## is non-negative which means rewriting the sums is a bit easier.

[tex]\sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2} 2J+1[/tex]
[tex]= 2\sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2}J + \sum_{J=j_1 - j_2}^{j_1 + j_2} 1[/tex]
[tex]= 2(\frac{j_2+1}{2})(2j_1) + 2j_2+1[/tex]
[tex]= (2j_1+1)(2j_2+1)[/tex]

I suppose the sum of states is a constant? Because degeneracy for each particle is constant, and degeneracy of a combined state depends on degeneracy of each particle. Hence sum of states before mixing = sum of states after mixing.
 
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Did you not expect ##(2j_1 + 1)(2j_2+1)##? Rewrite, for example, $$\sum_{J=j_1-j_2}^{j_1+j_2}\,J = \sum_{J=0}^{j_1+j_2}\,J - \sum_{J=0}^{(j_1-j_2)-1}\,J $$ and apply the sum of n integers formula.
 
CAF123 said:
Did you not expect ##(2j_1 + 1)(2j_2+1)##? Rewrite, for example, $$\sum_{J=j_1-j_2}^{j_1+j_2}\,J = \sum_{J=0}^{j_1+j_2}\,J - \sum_{J=0}^{(j_1-j_2)-1}\,J $$ and apply the sum of n integers formula.

I did, and I got ##(2j_1+1)(2j_2+1)##.

Why would the sum of states before and after mixing be equal? Is my explanation correct?
 
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unscientific said:
Why would the sum of states before and after mixing be equal? Is my explanation correct?
Yes. Effectively you can express any of your quantum states as a linear combination of states in the coupled (or in your language, mixed) basis or those in the uncoupled basis. Since both of these bases describe the same physical space of states, then the number of basis elements must be the same.
 

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