Undergrad Addition of exponents proof in group theory

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The discussion centers on the proof of the exponentiation property a^m a^n = a^{m+n} in group theory. Participants debate whether induction is necessary for this proof, with some arguing that the definition of exponentiation suffices. The associative law is highlighted as crucial for the validity of the notation, particularly in non-commutative contexts. There is also a suggestion of using double induction to handle the two variables m and n, although some believe this may be overly complex. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of defining a^n clearly and the role of the associative law in group theory.
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Just out of curiosity, what would a proof of ##a^m a^n = a^{m+n}## amount to? Of course obviously if you have n of one thing and m of another you get m+n, but I am wondering if this is rigorous enough, or if you need induction.
 
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Formally you need a prove by induction, because this notation is an abbreviation, or a conclusion from the special to the general (forgotten the formal name). But the essential part is the use of the associative law, which is needed to allow this abbreviation in the first place.
 
It looks to me that a^m=a\times a\times a ... (m terms) by definition. So a^m \times a^n =a^{m+n} from the definition. I don't think associative law is needed.
 
mathman said:
It looks to me that a^m=a\times a\times a ... (m terms) by definition. So a^m \times a^n =a^{m+n} from the definition. I don't think associative law is needed.
##a \cdot a \cdot a## isn't defined without associativity. And what if ##a \cdot b \neq b \cdot a## with ##b=a^2\,##? Of course this doesn't happen in a group, because of associativity. But it cannot be ruled out for an algebra.
 
fresh_42 said:
Formally you need a prove by induction, because this notation is an abbreviation, or a conclusion from the special to the general (forgotten the formal name). But the essential part is the use of the associative law, which is needed to allow this abbreviation in the first place.
Okay. Well given that I understand that the associative law will have to be used, how do I in general go about doing an induction when there are two variables m and n instead of just n?
 
You could do a double induction, a nested argument. But as this entire formula comes down, to what ##a^n## actually means, I think it will do to say: Let ##n,m## be arbitrary natural (integer) numbers, then ##a^n## means ... To set up an entire induction is really a bit of over munitioned.
 
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