Advanced calculus like Sternberg's but less abstract

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The discussion revolves around finding advanced calculus textbooks that balance rigor with geometric intuition, particularly those that do not adhere strictly to axiomatic methods. Participants express their experiences with various texts, including Sternberg's and Courant's works, and seek recommendations that may include physics applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant finds Sternberg's book challenging due to its upfront abstraction and seeks alternatives that include physics.
  • Another participant requests recommendations for advanced calculus books that are rigorous yet emphasize geometric intuition without relying on axiomatic methods.
  • A suggestion is made for a book that offers numerous exercises and covers topics comprehensively, though it is noted that it lacks physics content and may be unfriendly to readers.
  • Concerns are raised about a specific book's effectiveness, with a review highlighting a disconnect between the proofs presented and meaningful understanding, despite the reviewer achieving high marks in real analysis later.
  • Participants inquire about Courant's calculus volume 2 and express mixed feelings about its writing style, while also discussing other texts like Apostol's volume 2 and a rewritten version of Courant's by Fritz John.
  • There is a distinction made between mathematics texts and methods books suitable for physicists, indicating a variety of interpretations of "advanced calculus."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific textbook recommendation, and multiple competing views on the suitability of various texts remain. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the effectiveness of certain books and the balance between rigor and intuition.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the availability of advanced calculus books that incorporate physics while maintaining a focus on geometric intuition. There are also references to personal experiences with specific texts that highlight the subjective nature of understanding and effectiveness in learning.

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I've read Spivak 's calculus so I tried Sternberg 's book,IT IS kind of hard,because the abstraction is put upfront,I know of his other book with Bamberg, but a review on amazon deterred me from buying it,was I right in doing so?
Any adv.Calculus book that have some physics in it like Sternberg's?
 
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When I'd like to know if there any advanced calculus book that doesn't adhere to axiomatic methods,is rigorous but with strong appeal to ‘geometric intuition'.
 
whyevengothere said:
When I'd like to know if there any advanced calculus book that doesn't adhere to axiomatic methods,is rigorous but with strong appeal to ‘geometric intuition'.

You could try this one, it has a ton of exercises and looks at each topic from every angle. It is very mathematical, there is not a lot of explanation, but if you do the exercises, you should get a lot of intuition. Not a lot will be left uncovered.

That said, it is a pretty unfriendly book. Be prepared to put in the effort of doing the problems even if they seem unmotivated. You won't find the perfect book, but this one will satisfy your need for intuition because the problems will give you that encompassing knowledge.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0716749920/?tag=pfamazon01-20

PS. It doesn't have any physics in it. I can't imagine there is such a book. I mean that it is thorough and doing the exercises in order will be rather exhaustive.
 
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Hmm, there are some very odd reviews of that book I mentioned. Here is one excerpt:

On almost all the topics, I found that the textbook just did not confer any meaningful understanding. It spends a lot of time on proofs yet at the end of the day it came down to a cookbook-style attack on some standard, uninspiring problems. I had such a bad experience with the material that I concluded that math probably just wasn't for me.
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Despite not getting 2nd year calculus at all, I took 3rd year honors real analysis and scored very close to 100%.

This reviewer complains that the book comes down to a cookbook-style attack on problems, and that he struggled to understand things. But clearly the book worked because he aced real analysis afterwards, probably because he had the intuition already from this book. He gives it 1 star out of 5, why I don't know because it clearly helped him.
 
have you looked at courant's calculus volume 2?

https://archive.org/details/DifferentialIntegralCalculusVol2
 
mathwonk said:
have you looked at courant's calculus volume 2?

https://archive.org/details/DifferentialIntegralCalculusVol2

I've read his ''what is math?'' and a bit of the first volume of that ,I liked the content,but the writing style was bit weird to me.
 
Are you looking for a mathematics text or for a methods book suitable for physicists? There is wide variety in things called "advanced calculus".
 
have you tried apostol vol 2?or maybe the version of courant rewritten by fritz john would suit your tastes better as to style. i.e. courant and john vol. 2 is a rewrite of courant's vol. 2 but in a more modern and standard style.
 
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