Affine hull and affine combinations equivalence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equivalence of the affine hull and the set of affine combinations of a finite set of points in an affine space. Participants explore definitions and properties of affine spaces, affine combinations, and the relationship between these concepts, with a focus on proving the inclusion of the affine hull within the set of affine combinations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that to show the inclusion ##\text{aff}(X) \subseteq C(X)##, it is necessary to demonstrate that ##C(X)## is affine and contains the set ##X##.
  • There is a suggestion that the definition of an affine space as a translate of a linear subspace is crucial for proving the properties of ##C(X)##.
  • One participant questions whether ##C(X)## can be equated to ##0 + \text{span}(X)##, leading to further discussion about the validity of this argument.
  • Another participant challenges the use of "span" in the context of affine spaces, arguing that the elements of ##X## are not necessarily vectors.
  • There is a clarification that the linear span of points in ##X## can still be considered an affine space, despite the initial confusion regarding terminology.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the definition of affine combinations and how they relate to the properties of affine spaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and relationships between affine combinations and affine spaces. Multiple competing views remain regarding the use of "span" and the nature of affine combinations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of affine spaces and affine combinations, as well as the assumptions underlying the use of linear spans in this context.

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Let ##X = \{x_1 , \dots , x_n\}##. Then ##\text{aff}(X) = \text{intersection of all affine spaces containing X}##. Let ##C(X)## be the set of all affine combinations of elements of ##X##. We want to show that these two sets are equal. First we focus on the ##\text{aff}(X) \subseteq C(X)## inclusion. If we can show that ##C(X)## is affine and that it contains ##X## then this inclusion will hold. Let's just say that it's obvious that it contains ##X##. So I want to prove that ##C(X)## is affine. Here is where I hit a roadblock. In my reference it only states that an affine space is a translate of a linear subspace. This is really the only definition I am given. Does this mean that I have to show that ##C(X)## is the translate of some linear subspace?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Let ##X = \{x_1 , \dots , x_n\}##. Then ##\text{aff}(X) = \text{intersection of all affine spaces containing X}##. Let ##C(X)## be the set of all affine combinations of elements of ##X##. We want to show that these two sets are equal. First we focus on the ##\text{aff}(X) \subseteq C(X)## inclusion. If we can show that ##C(X)## is affine and that it contains ##X## then this inclusion will hold. Let's just say that it's obvious ...
or just note that ##x_i=0+x_i## is an affine combination
... that it contains ##X##. So I want to prove that ##C(X)## is affine. Here is where I hit a roadblock. In my reference it only states that an affine space is a translate of a linear subspace. This is really the only definition I am given. Does this mean that I have to show that ##C(X)## is the translate of some linear subspace?
Yes, and again ##0 + \operatorname{span}(X)## is a linear and as such an affine space, too.
 
fresh_42 said:
or just note that ##x_i=0+x_i## is an affine combination
Yes, and again ##0 + \operatorname{span}(X)## is a linear and as such an affine space, too.
Are you saying that ##C(X) = 0 + \text{span}(X)##?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Are you saying that ##C(X) = 0 + \text{span}(X)##?
You're right, that wasn't a valid argument. But ##0+\operatorname{span}(X) \subseteq C(X)## whereas ##0+\operatorname{span}(X) \nsubseteq \operatorname{aff}(X)##. What do I miss here? Are you sure the equation holds? I guess I'm currently a bit confused.

Edit: Assume we have two points in the plane. Then ##\operatorname{aff}(\{x,y\})## is the one straight line through ##x## and ##y##. But any affine combination ##\alpha x + \beta y = c## yields the entire plane.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Are you saying that ##C(X) = 0 + \text{span}(X)##?

What is span(X)? X are elements in an affine space: writing span around them makes no sense.

Can you give your definition of affine space? I saw it as a set on which a vector space acts satisfying some axioms.
 
Math_QED said:
What is span(X)? X are elements in an affine space: writing span around them makes no sense.
It does. The linear span of all points in ##X## is still an affine space.
 
fresh_42 said:
It does. The linear span of all points in ##X## is still an affine space.

Span is something we write for vectors. The elements of X are not necessarily vectors if one treats the theory of affine geometry generally. It's why I asked for the OP's definition.
 
Math_QED said:
Span is something we write for vectors. The elements of X are not necessarily vectors if one treats the theory of affine geometry generally. It's why I asked for the OP's definition.
##\vec{0x_i}## are the corresponding vectors. A space is affine if all ##\vec{0x_i} - \vec{0x_j}## are within. This is the case for ##(0+\vec{0x_i}) - (0+\vec{0x_j})##. Nevertheless, I'm not sure what is meant by affine combination, other than all possible ##\vec{c} + \sum_i \alpha_i \,\vec{0x_i}## which is possibly wrong here. It should presumably be ##\sum_{i,j} \alpha_{ij} \,(\vec{0x_i}-\vec{0x_j})\,.##
 

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