After Big Bang: Hydrogen & Helium Formed, But Why Didn't They Burn?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of hydrogen and helium after the Big Bang and why these elements did not undergo combustion despite the high temperatures of the early universe. Participants explore the conditions necessary for burning and fusion, as well as the stability of these elements over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that hydrogen and helium were the primary elements formed shortly after the Big Bang, questioning why they did not ignite given the universe's high temperatures.
  • One participant compares the stability of hydrogen and helium in the early universe to the stability of the sun, suggesting that a similar regulatory mechanism might have been at play.
  • Another participant clarifies that helium is not flammable, which is a critical distinction in the discussion of combustion.
  • It is mentioned that hydrogen requires oxygen to burn, and that the early universe lacked significant amounts of oxygen, which would have prevented combustion.
  • One participant discusses the process of hydrogen fusion in the sun, highlighting that the release of neutrinos allows the sun to use hydrogen slowly, implying that a similar cooling process could have occurred in the universe post-Big Bang.
  • A participant explains that burning is a chemical reaction requiring electron exchange, which was not possible until about 300,000 years after the Big Bang when the universe cooled enough for electrons to orbit atomic nuclei.
  • It is noted that helium, being a noble gas, does not combine naturally, further complicating the idea of combustion in the early universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the conditions necessary for burning and fusion, and participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the lack of combustion of hydrogen and helium after the Big Bang.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the early universe's conditions, the role of temperature, and the presence of other elements like oxygen. The discussion is limited by the complexities of nuclear and chemical reactions in extreme environments.

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Hydrogen and Helium were the main constituents formed soon (thousands of years?) after the big bang. Why did they not burn (as they are flammable), I am sure the universe was hot enough then to ignite it?
 
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Originally posted by Einstein
Hydrogen and Helium were the main constituents formed soon (thousands of years?) after the big bang. Why did they not burn (as they are flammable), I am sure the universe was hot enough then to ignite it?

hydrogen and helium are the main constituents of the sun at the present time

and the sun also is hot

so one way you could think about the problem you have raised
is to ask why the sun does not immediately burn up
Wouldn't you say the sun was remarkably stable?
It seems so to me anyway.
Whatever it is doing it seems to be doing it very very slowly,
only a little bit (percentagewise) at a time.

Perhaps whatever regulates the sun and prevents it from
immediately consuming itself in some reaction
also (by some analogous mechanism) regulated the
universe a long time ago
 
Also, helium isn't flammable.
 
Originally posted by Einstein
Hydrogen and Helium were the main constituents formed soon (thousands of years?) after the big bang. Why did they not burn (as they are flammable), I am sure the universe was hot enough then to ignite it?
Hydrogen burns if you combine it with oxygen. There was not then nor is there now a large amount of oxygen (percentagewise) in the universe.
 
Originally posted by Einstein
Hydrogen and Helium were the main constituents formed soon (thousands of years?) after the big bang. Why did they not burn (as they are flammable), I am sure the universe was hot enough then to ignite it?

When Hydrogen fuses in the Sun the process involves the release of neutrinos, which are very rare events, so the Sun uses its Hydrogen very slowly. The process is slow enough that the Universe could cool down before significant quantitites of Hydrogen were converted after the Big Bang.
 
Hydrogen, Helium, and small quantites of Lithium were the only elements that lasted from the Big Bang to until stars first formed. All elements with the exception of these three elements were formed from the fusion of atomic nuclei in stars, and before stars existed, these were the only elements that existed.

Additionally, burning is a chemical reaction that requires the exchange of electrons to occur. Up until 300,000 years after the big bang, electrons were free particles, and there was too much energy for electrons to be brought into orbits around hydrogen, helium, and lithium nuclei. If an electron encountered a nuclei, it would simply collide but would not be placed in orbit around the nuclei of the hydrogen/helium/lithium atom. However, when the universe cooled 300,000 years after the Big Bang, electrons then started orbiting hydrogen, helim, and lithium nuclei; and the universe became transparent. However, oxygen would never form until stars came into being.

Additionally; helium is a noble gas; it does not combine naturally.
 
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