Age of Universe (Liddles Modern Cosmology)

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The discussion revolves around problem 8.4 from Liddle's Introduction to Modern Cosmology, which involves deriving the formula for the age of the universe in a cosmological model that includes a cosmological constant. Participants are exploring the application of the Friedmann equation in this context, focusing on the conditions under which the formula is valid.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to derive the formula for the age of the universe from the Friedmann equation, specifically the form involving the cosmological constant.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the starting form of the Friedmann equation to provide appropriate guidance on the necessary manipulations.
  • A participant questions the conditions under which the formula is correct, noting discrepancies in the scaling relations for the matter-only case and suggesting that the relation a ~ t^(2/3) is specific to a critical density universe.
  • Concerns are raised about the correctness of the equation, with a participant suggesting that the left-hand side should be (da/dt)² and that the dependence on (1-Ω0) should reflect different assumptions about energy density and curvature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the correctness of the formula or the assumptions underlying it. Multiple competing views regarding the application of the Friedmann equation and the implications of different cosmological models remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made about the universe's density parameters and the implications for the scaling relations derived from the Friedmann equation. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the derivation of the age formula.

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Hi,
I am currently reading Liddles Introduction to Modern Cosmology (2nd Ed) and having trouble with problem 8.4, about the age of the universe with a cosmological constant.
The question asks to derive the formula for the age by first writing the Fridemann equation in such a model as
\frac{da}{dt} = H^{2}_{0} [Ω_{0}a^{-1} + \left(1-Ω_{0})a^{-2}\right]

But I'm not sure how this step is found, so can't proceed any further. I would appreciate any help to get me started.
 
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hawker3 said:
Hi,
I am currently reading Liddles Introduction to Modern Cosmology (2nd Ed) and having trouble with problem 8.4, about the age of the universe with a cosmological constant.
The question asks to derive the formula for the age by first writing the Fridemann equation in such a model as
\frac{da}{dt} = H^{2}_{0} [Ω_{0}a^{-1} + \left(1-Ω_{0})a^{-2}\right]

But I'm not sure how this step is found, so can't proceed any further. I would appreciate any help to get me started.

I'd be happy to help you, but in order to do so, you need to tell me what form of the Friedmann equation you are starting with. Then I can give you suggestions on what manipulations to perform in order to get it into the form given above.
 
I'm having trouble finding a set of conditions in which the formula is correct. Look at the matter-only case for example: a \proptot2/3. Then the left side is \propto t-1/3 whereas the 2 right side terms are \propto t-2/3 and t-4/3.
 
BillSaltLake said:
I'm having trouble finding a set of conditions in which the formula is correct. Look at the matter-only case for example: a \proptot2/3. Then the left side is \propto t-1/3 whereas the 2 right side terms are \propto t-2/3 and t-4/3.

I think that the relation a ~ t2/3 is specific to the "critical" or "Einstein-de Sitter" universe which is not merely matter-dominated, but also happens to have a critical density of matter so that Ω0 = Ωm = 1. Hence (1-Ω0) = 0.

Even so, the equation is also a bit off. At the risk of giving too much away, it should be (da/dt)2 on the left-hand side. You can see that this makes things work out for the critical case.

The a-2 dependence on the (1-Ω0) term also seems wrong to me. If you assume that there is no spatial curvature, and that the matter shortfall (1-Ω0) is made up of "something" that has a constant energy density (e.g. dark energy), then this term should have an a2 dependence. If you assume that there is nothing else aside from matter, then (1 - Ω0) is the curvature term, and it should have an a0 dependence (i.e. no dependence on a at all).
 

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