Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, and the MCU

[Ryuu]

I'm pretty much in awe, as ZapperZ is.
Back in the 1960's, when I was growing up, the normal trend for any spinoffs was for the cast for the new and old shows would make an appearance together - once - then never see each other or be mentioned again. Archie Bunker had several spinoffs, and I think it had set a record for how many shows branched out from it and the child series in its era that is probably still held today.

As was mentioned above, comic books of that time were already doing numerous crossovers and interactions, with DC and Marvel really doing full bore competition for the same group of people reading them. But you almost never saw such on TV or movies (maybe one or two at the time--I can't recall specifics, but there was something back then).

And there were so many lost opportunities that the fans would've loved to see: Knight Rider, Airwolf, and Battlestar 1980 all could've had a cameo with each other as they were all created by Glen Larson. Can we imagine the looks on Apollo and Michael Knight's faces would've been if the Colonial Warriors got a chance to encounter that "rolling cylon"? KITT might survive getting hit, with that special armor--but the car would damned know he got shot and sure as hell wouldn't want to get hit again!

Such crossovers are recent and often enjoyable if the producers pay enough attention to all the involved brands to make the encounters believable. The various CSIs, the Law & Order, Boston Legal interacting was a delight to see. NCIS really should've let their teams have more contact than what they've done so far--it might make their brands last a bit longer.

Seeing the Marvel movies, as well as the DC universe, taking off and trying to integrate their cinematic productions has me completely stoked, although I'm worried that DC is trying to keep their products rather isolated now. Smallville alluded to Green Arrow and Flash, yet neither "Arrow", "the Flash" nor "Gotham" have yet to invite Welling or former Smallville cast members over to their shows. I hope they wake up and change that trend back to better integration.

What's really been impressive was the Once Upon A Time, which was loosely based on Grimms' Fairy Tales, pulling in other storybook genres, like Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland into their "universe".

Maybe...one day...we will get to see if a light saber can cut through Wolverine's claws?

 

[Borg]

The big question this season is

Spoiler: Who is Lash?

Now that we know he changes into human form, he could be anyone. Here's a guess that Andrew survived the assassination attempt because he is Lash. I know that I'm being led on by the show but, I think that it's Rosalind Price, the director of the ACTU.

 

[ZapperZ]

**********SPOILER ALERT**************

Don't read any further if you don't want to know.I like this season's episodes so far, but I'm a bit frustrated with the juggling of too many storylines.

The one I find least convincing is Coulson approving of sending Hunter to go after Ward. What's up with that? I know he and May have a personal axe to grind with him, but considering that he wasn't (at least in the first 2 episodes) a real threat, and that they have way bigger fish to deal with, I find it difficult that they would divert 2 important members of the team to go hunt for him.

And then there were a few "huh?" moments. This week's episode, when they invaded Dwight Frye apartment, they started out with 3 agents (Daisy, Mack, and one from ATCU). But by the time we got into Dwight's actual apartment, the other two were gone, leaving only Daisy. I remember crying out loud: "What the heck happened to the other two?"

The storylines that I am most intrigued with are (i) the possibility that Lash is someone we already know (my bet is on Rosalind); (ii) and Simmons wanting (or was it needing?) to go back to the planet she was stranded on. This, of course, assuming that Dr. Garner, May's ex, didn't make it out of the assassination.

But with what had been going on since the beginning, I'm not putting anything past them to come up with a twist.

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

If this preview is an accurate hint, tonight's showing of SHIELD (here in the US) is a I-can't-believe-you-missed-it episode. We'll find out, hopefully in full, what happened to Jemma on that planet.

Zz.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

Which of these three shows is the best?

 

[Vanadium 50]

(i) the possibility that Lash is someone we already know (my bet is on Rosalind); (ii) and Simmons wanting (or was it needing?) to go back to the planet she was stranded on.

If it is Simmons. And not, e.g. Kree-Simmons, like the Eddie McClintock character. (And for that matter, Lash looks sort of Kree-esque. And at the risk of a bad pun, "Funny, you don't look blueish.")

 

[ZapperZ]

I hope everyone who could saw last night's episode. The reviews on it are exploding all over the web, some calling it the best SHIELD episode ever!

I'm hoping that this will not be just a "rescue Will" storyline and ends there, and that the monolith and what's going on on that planet can somehow play an integral role in the rest of the story. After all, this is something Hydra and ATCU know nothing about.

Zz.

 

[Borg]

Another excellent episode. Not much on the monolith this week but we know who Lash is now.

Spoiler

It makes you wonder how many times SHIELD can be its own worst enemy. Will Andrew eventually be left with no choice but to run off and join Ward's Hydra? After all, Ward needs a new #2 since Kebo got the electric treatment in the pool.

 

[ZapperZ]

Another excellent episode. Not much on the monolith this week but we know who Lash is now.

Spoiler

It makes you wonder how many times SHIELD can be its own worst enemy. Will Andrew eventually be left with no choice but to run off and join Ward's Hydra? After all, Ward needs a new #2 since Kebo got the electric treatment in the pool.

That twist came totally unexpected! It is keeping me riveted to the series, but there are simply too many things going on right now.

Zz.

 

[Borg]

That twist came totally unexpected! It is keeping me riveted to the series, but there are simply too many things going on right now.
Zz.

Yes, I would like to see a few loose ends tied up before too many more plot twists.

Spoiler

For a while, I really thought that Lash was the creature on Jemma's planet and that it had somehow followed her to earth. So much for that idea.

 

[ZapperZ]

BTW, don't you think that when they treated "him", they'd notice something odd with him physiologically? I'm sure they'll argue that you have to be looking for the mutation in his DNA to detect that he is an inhuman, but you'd think that they will be thorough in their medical treatment.

Zz,

 

[Vanadium 50]

That twist came totally unexpected!

Indeed, as it was speculated in this very thread.

I find it somewhat dissatisfying, as it explains "who" but not "why".

 

[ZapperZ]

Indeed, as it was speculated in this very thread.

I find it somewhat dissatisfying, as it explains "who" but not "why".

As in why he's Lash? Maybe he too took the fish oil supplements. But I'm sure we'll know more on why he's killing all the inhumans as the series progresses.

Zz,

 

[Vanadium 50]

But I'm sure we'll know more on why he's killing all the inhumans as the series progresses.

But that's the mystery. He's not killing all of them. He's leaving some of them alone.

 

[ZapperZ]

********SPOILER ALERT********
Wow! I don't know about you guys, but I almost pulled my hair out with last night's episode.

Just when I thought that one story line (the monolith) is winding down, even though FitzSimmons were trying to find a way back to rescue Will, along came the Hydra connection to this whole thing! This means that what SHIELD managed to do in rescuing Simmons is going to be what Hydra wants.

I'm beginning to see it now. All the different and seemingly-parallel storylines are coming together.

Zz.

 

[Borg]

********SPOILER ALERT********
Wow! I don't know about you guys, but I almost pulled my hair out with last night's episode.

Just when I thought that one story line (the monolith) is winding down, even though FitzSimmons were trying to find a way back to rescue Will, along came the Hydra connection to this whole thing! This means that what SHIELD managed to do in rescuing Simmons is going to be what Hydra wants.

I'm beginning to see it now. All the different and seemingly-parallel storylines are coming together.

Zz.

********MORE SPOILERS********And Ward is becoming more evil by the episode. He is really accepting his place in the universe and just going with it. I have to admit though that the in-flight announcement was a nice touch.

I would bet that the baby monolith will be used to regenerate the big one that was destroyed allowing Hydra to return the creature from the alien planet. But, I got burned thinking that Rosalind was Lash so what do I know?

With Agent Carter making her return in January and the next Avengers-related movie in the spring being Captain America: Civil War, I expect that there will be a lot of Hydra-related plots coming.

BTW, the last item on this list of upcoming Marvel movies tells me that the Inhumans are here to stay.

 

[GTOM]

I really enjoyed Shield season 1,2 but I'm not sure about 3...
Ok we don't like this movies for hardness, but still... some crystals leaking into water create something countrywide, worlwide, what??
If they are so efficient, a singe fragment were enough for whole Shield ship...
"The world isn't prepared to accept this..." (Skye to that new character ) Avengers saved a whole town, does that count nothing??

 

[ZapperZ]

ABC has started to run promo for the mid-season premier of SHIELD:



I think this is going to be good, especially with Ward right in the thick of things. But there is still the question with Lash...

Zz.

 

[Isaac0427]

I think this is going to be good, especially with Ward right in the thick of things. But there is still the question with Lash...

I thought ward was dead, and "it" took the form of ward. Is that not the case?

 

[Isaac0427]

I really want Coulson to return in the movies, maybe in infinity wars. Maybe he'd try to hide himself from the avengers while trying to help them. I want the movies to explain his resurrection, because people who don't watch SHIELD still think he's dead, and think I'm crazy when I say he's still alive.

 

[ZapperZ]

I thought ward was dead, and "it" took the form of ward. Is that not the case?

Well OK, if you want to be picky about it, Ward's body + alien.

Zz.

 

[ZapperZ]

Don't forget, for those of us in the US, Agents of SHIELD comes back this coming Tuesday. ABC has released the preview of the first episode.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/coulson-offers-a-hard-choice-in-new-clip-from-agents-of-shield-winter-premiere

Since the mid-season finale, a lot of stuff has been written about Coulson and how his killing of Ward is a major turning point. I admit that I don't get it. Why is this a big deal? After all, earlier on, he sent out Hunter to kill Ward specifically. Isn't this the same thing? Is it because in this one, Coulson killed Ward himself, with his "bare" hand? This is what will trigger a darker side of Coulson?

I won't be surprised there's more to it than that, because I don't think Coulson killing Ward by itself is enough of an event to cause such a major turning point.

Zz.

 

[Isaac0427]

That was a great episode!

Spoiler: Comment about today's episode

There is definitely something going on with It. What exactly is his power? Does Malek even know? This new inhuman team does seem capable of taking on It, but I bet we'll see some casualties in the fight. It will also be interesting to see Coulson work with Talbot. Next week will be a great episode!

 

[ZapperZ]

SPOILER ALERT!

I have mixed feelings about last night's mid-season premier.

On one hand, it is nice to see things are almost going back to "normal", i.e. SHIELD going after the baddies and trying to find inhumans. On the other hand, it feels as if they rushed through the entire thing. I mean, at different stages, various SHIELD agents were captured and kidnapped. Yet, they all got resolved in a matter of minutes.

So this episode feels more like setting up the pieces. The most intriguing aspect of the whole show last night was the very beginning, which was a flash-forward to 3 months later. Now THAT caught my attention because it seems to indicate that a SHIELD agent in a space vessel will die. I'm guessing that the show will eventually move to that point in time. And of course, I'm dying to find the connecting point between the show and the upcoming Captain America movie.

Zz.

 

[Isaac0427]

The most intriguing aspect of the whole show last night was the very beginning, which was a flash-forward to 3 months later. Now THAT caught my attention because it seems to indicate that a SHIELD agent in a space vessel will die.

My thought was that it may not be a SHIELD agent. I don't thing we have heard the last of that weird planet the monolith takes you to.

 

[Isaac0427]

Spoiler: Tonight's episode

Are Bobbi and Hunter actually gone?!

 

[ZapperZ]

Spoiler: Tonight's episode

Are Bobbi and Hunter actually gone?!

A possible series of their own is in the works.

Zz.

 

[Vanadium 50]

I liked seeing William Sadler as the President.



"You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you dance with The Reaper."

 

[ZapperZ]

*********SPOILER ALERT***********

I must say that I was rather disappointed by last night's SHIELD episode. It's my first disappointment of the entire season 3.

1. Since when is "coercion" such a taboo within SHIELD? I've followed this from the very beginning, and in one way or another, SHIELD agents have done a number of things to get information out of people. What Daisy did in that vehicle was NOTHING compared to some of them. So why is this suddenly such a big deal?

2. This new baddies, the "Watchdogs", is a distraction, even though it appears to be the brainchild of Mallick. First of all, why didn't the ATCU be the one going after them, rather than SHIELD? The ATCU has the official backing of the government, and they were the ones being targeted. Secondly, this is, so far, a diversion off the main story line. It got nowhere and didn't advance the story other than to introduce another character. Maybe they have something in store for him later, but as of now, I hate that they have to introduce this into the story.

3. Why is there another "supergroup" of people that SHIELD has to deal with? Last half-season, it was the ATCU. Now that ATCU is sort of in the background, it seems that the producers deem it appropriate to introduce ANOTHER organization that SHIELD has to battle, for no good reason, in addition to going after Hydra. Why can't Hydra encounter a new enemy for a change?

So yeah, I watched last night's episode while all these things running through my head.

Zz.

 

[Vanadium 50]

I watched Spacetime, and see that it fell into a bad writing trap: the Good Guys actions are all logical, but the Bad Guys are not.