Air baloon and came back down about 12 hours later

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical feasibility of traveling halfway around the globe in an air balloon over a period of 12 hours, assuming no wind. Participants explore the implications of Earth's rotation, the behavior of the atmosphere, and the limitations of balloon travel at various altitudes.

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  • One participant questions whether a balloon could theoretically travel halfway around the globe in 12 hours without wind, prompting exploration of practical difficulties.
  • Another participant notes that the air mass rotates with the Earth, suggesting that if the balloon left the atmosphere, it might achieve the desired travel distance.
  • A participant inquires about the altitude of the atmosphere, leading to a discussion about the pressure and composition of the atmosphere at different heights.
  • One response explains that while the atmosphere does not have a defined limit, it becomes less dense with altitude, affecting a balloon's buoyancy.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Earth's rotation speed varies with latitude, explaining that at the equator, the rotation speed is about 1000 km/hr, while at the poles it is effectively zero.
  • It is suggested that if a balloon could rise high enough, it would maintain the velocity of the ground below, but the participant notes that this would not lead to halfway travel around the globe if launched from the poles.
  • A participant expresses disappointment that the idea of using a balloon for efficient long-distance travel may not be feasible based on the discussion.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the feasibility of the balloon travel concept, with no consensus reached on whether it is practically achievable. The discussion highlights differing opinions on the effects of Earth's rotation and atmospheric conditions.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the atmosphere and the mechanics of balloon travel, which may not be fully resolved. The impact of altitude on buoyancy and the varying rotational speeds of the Earth based on latitude are also noted as factors that complicate the scenario.

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If I went up in an air balloon and came back down about 12 hours later (assuming there was no wind), would I be half way around the globe ? this has been rattling my brain for a while. there are obviously practical difficulties, but theoretically, is this feasible ? if not, why ?
 
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The thing is here is that the air mass rotates with the Earth as well. Otherwise the wind would be blowing at about 1000 miles per hour at the equator. If the balloon left the atmosphere I guess it would work.
 
interesting. how high up does the 'atmosphere' stretch ?
 
The atmosphere does not have a 'limit,' but its pressure decreases rapidly with increasing altitude.

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_atmosphere#Pressure

Therefore, most of the atmosphere is below 100 km (99.9999%) although in the rarified region above this there are auroras, and other atmospheric effects.

Think about it this way. When your balloon is in contact with the Earth's surface, it's moving the same speed as the Earth's surface. The Earth's surface is, in fact, rotating at about 1000 mph (at the equator) with respect to the Sun.

Objects in motion tend to stay in motion -- this is Newton's first law of motion. Your balloon would continue moving at the same speed, 1000 mph, hovering over the same point on the Earth's surface, unless some force acted upon it. You could fire a rocket motor, for example, in the direction counter to the Earth's rotation.

You could eventually sit still with respect to the Sun, and watch the Earth's surface rush past below you at 1000 mph. As has been said, though, you'd have to deal with the air also rushing past you at 1000 mph, and it might not be a very pleasant ride.

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Quite a bit further than a balloon will take you, like 100 km or so. It thins as you go up, so a balloon will become less buoyant a lot sooner.
 
It also depends on your latitude. If Earth had no atmosphere, and your balloon could rise anyway (baloons need air) then the Earth would rotate under you. But imagine trying this at the North Pole. You wouldn't be halfway around the world when you landed 12 hours later. You'd still be at the North Pole. The speed which the Earth rotates is ~1000 km/hr * cos(latitude). cos(0)=1 so at the equator the Earth rotates ~1000 km/hr. cos(38)=0.788, so in San Francisco, the Earth rotates 788 km/hr. cos(90)=0 so at the North Pole (& South Pole) the Earth rotates 0 km/hr.

But when you rise you will have the velocity of the ground you were on. So actually, you'd ultimately change hemispheres as you would be traveling on a Great Circle and the ground you were on holds steady to its latitude.
 
dang! so my hopes of an efficient way of traveling long distances isn't possible this way :(

thanks all 4 ur responses.
 

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