Algebra - make the assumption?

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The discussion revolves around the assumptions necessary for the well-defined nature of a mathematical expression involving rational functions. Participants explore the implications of making assumptions about variable values, particularly focusing on the case where \( x \neq 3 \), as well as other values that could lead to division by zero.

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  • One participant questions whether the assumption \( x \neq 3 \) should be made at the end of the calculation or at the beginning, suggesting that it is necessary to consider this assumption from the start for the expression to be well-defined.
  • Another participant points out that for the expression to be valid, assumptions must also include \( x \neq -3 \) and \( x \neq 0 \), indicating that multiple values need to be excluded to avoid division by zero.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to identify these restrictions before starting the problem, noting that it only became clear later in the process.
  • There is a discussion about whether making such assumptions should be a standard practice in all problems, with some participants affirming that it is advisable to include these conditions in answers.
  • Concerns are raised about whether examiners would expect students to check for these types of restrictions in their solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that making assumptions about variable restrictions is important, but there is some debate about when these assumptions should be made and whether they should be explicitly stated in all solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for handling such assumptions in mathematical problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of avoiding division by zero, but there is no consensus on the best approach to communicate these assumptions in a formal setting, such as during examinations.

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##\frac{6-2x}{x^2-9}\times\frac{15+5x}{4x}##

##\frac{2(3-x)}{(x-3)(x+3)}\times\frac{5(3+x)}{4x}##

##\frac{3-x}{x-3}\times\frac{5}{2x}##

Now do I make the assumption that ##x\neq3## ?

If I make the assumption that ##x\neq3## then ##-1\times\frac{5}{2x} = -\frac{5}{2x}##
 
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MathJakob said:
##\frac{6-2x}{x^2-9}\times\frac{15+5x}{4x}##

##\frac{2(3-x)}{(x-3)(x+3)}\times\frac{5(3+x)}{4x}##

##\frac{3-x}{x-3}\times\frac{5}{2x}##

Now do I make the assumption that ##x\neq3## ?

If I make the assumption that ##x\neq3## then ##-1\times\frac{5}{2x} = -\frac{5}{2x}##

You started of with

[tex]\frac{6-2x}{x^2-9}\times\frac{15+5x}{4x}[/tex]

For this to be well-defined, you make the assumption there that ##x\neq -3, 0, 3##. So you make the assumption in the beginning instead of in the end.
 
micromass said:
You started of with

[tex]\frac{6-2x}{x^2-9}\times\frac{15+5x}{4x}[/tex]

For this to be well-defined, you make the assumption there that ##x\neq -3, 0, 3##. So you make the assumption in the beginning instead of in the end.

How can you tell before even starting the question that ##x\neq-3,0,3## ? It only became obvious to me once I got to the last section. Even still my main question was is it the right thing to do to make the assumption? Should I be doing this with all questions and just include where ##x\neq-3,0,3## along with my answer?

Would an examiner be looking for these types of checks?
 
MathJakob said:
How can you tell before even starting the question that ##x\neq-3,0,3## ?

You want to avoid dividing by ##0##. So the denominator shouldn't be ##0##. I see two denominators, namely ##x^2 - 9## and ##4x##. Neither should be ##0##. Now, solving things, we get that ##x^2 - 9 = 0## if and only if ##x=-3,3## and ##4x = 0## if and only if ##x=0##. So you don't want ##x=-3,0,3##.

It only became obvious to me once I got to the last section. Even still my main question was is it the right thing to do to make the assumption?

Yes, you should make the assumption. But you should make the assumption in the beginning.

Should I be doing this with all questions and just include where ##x\neq-3,0,3## along with my answer?

Yes.

Would an examiner be looking for these types of checks?

They should be looking out for these things.
 
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