Algebra, rearranging equations

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The discussion revolves around the rules of canceling terms in algebraic expressions, specifically in the context of the equation \( a = \sqrt{\frac{b}{b+1}} \). Participants explore the conditions under which cancellation is valid and the ambiguity in the expression presented by the original poster (OP).

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Main Points Raised

  • The OP questions why they cannot cancel the \( b \)'s in the expression \( a = \sqrt{\frac{b}{b+1}} \), while they believe cancellation is valid in the expression \( \sqrt{\frac{bc}{bd}} \).
  • One participant explains that cancellation is only permissible when the term is a factor of both the numerator and denominator, using numerical examples to illustrate the point.
  • Another participant highlights the ambiguity in the OP's expression, suggesting multiple interpretations of the equation, which could lead to confusion regarding cancellation.
  • The OP later clarifies that they were considering the second interpretation of their expression.
  • There is a follow-up question regarding the use of LaTeX for writing lab reports, indicating a shift in focus to formatting and presentation of mathematical expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that cancellation requires terms to be factors of both the numerator and denominator. However, there is disagreement regarding the clarity of the OP's original expression, with multiple interpretations presented without consensus on which is correct.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the clarity of the OP's question, which affects the understanding of the cancellation rules being discussed. The ambiguity in the expression leads to different interpretations that remain unresolved.

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Readers interested in algebraic manipulation, cancellation rules, and LaTeX formatting for mathematical expressions may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi hope someone can help explain this for me.

If i have the equation of a=square root of b/b+1 why do can i not cancel the b's? If the equation was square root of bc/bd i can cancel the b's right?

Thanks
James
 
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You can cancel the b's only when they are factors of both the numerator and denominator. b is not a factor of the expression b + 1. Put some numbers in and see how it works. If b = 3, then your expression is 3/(3 + 1) = 3/4. If you (mistakenly) canceled b, you would get 1/(1 + 1) = 1/2, which is, of course, incorrect.

In your second example, b is a factor of both numerator and denominator, so you can cancel to get c/d.
 
Ok Mark thanks for your reply.

James
 
jamesd2008 said:
Hi hope someone can help explain this for me.

If i have the equation of a=square root of b/b+1 why do can i not cancel the b's? If the equation was square root of bc/bd i can cancel the b's right?

Thanks
James

When someone presents a question like this, the trouble is ignoring of the properties of numbers which the person is expected to learn and use.

What is the justification for either canceling the b's of not canceling the b's?
 
To follow up symbolipoint's post:

OP's expression, "a=square root of b/b+1" is extremely ambiguous:

Which interpretation to choose:
1. [tex]a=\sqrt{\frac{b}{b}+1}[/tex] "a=square root of ((b/b)+1)"

2. [tex]a=\sqrt{\frac{b}{b+1}[/tex] "a=square root of (b/(b+1))"

3. [tex]a=\frac{\sqrt{b}}{b}+1[/tex] "a=((square root of b)/b)+1)"

4. [tex]a=\frac{\sqrt{b}}{b+1}[/tex] "a=(square root of b)/(b+1)"

5. [tex]a=\sqrt{\frac{b}{b}}+1[/tex] "a=(square root of (b/b))+1"
 
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Thanks for the reply's it was statement 2 that I was considering in the problem.
 
arildno said:
To follow up symbolipoint's post:

OP's expression, "a=square root of b/b+1" is extremely ambiguous:

Which interpretation to choose:
1. [tex]a=\sqrt{\frac{b}{b}+1}[/tex] "a=square root of ((b/b)+1)"

2. [tex]a=\sqrt{\frac{b}{b+1}[/tex] "a=square root of (b/(b+1))"

3. [tex]a=\frac{\sqrt{b}}{b}+1[/tex] "a=((square root of b)/b)+1)"

4. [tex]a=\frac{\sqrt{b}}{b+1}[/tex] "a=(square root of b)/(b+1)"

5. [tex]a=\sqrt{\frac{b}{b}}+1[/tex] "a=(square root of (b/b))+1"

Hi you seem to know LaTeX.

I know this forum supports LaTeX and it's nice, but i want learn LaTeX, so what is your best advice, i.e. what LaTeX programs are good for writing Lab-reports?

another question I've got is, do you write the code for every expression or do you use the forum help with inserting code from menu?
Which one would you recommend?
thanks
 
jamesd2008 said:
Thanks for the reply's it was statement 2 that I was considering in the problem.

But, do you understand how unclear your question was?
 

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