Algebraic expression rewritting

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The discussion revolves around the algebraic expression (a+b)^(1/3) + (a-b)^(1/3) and whether it can be rewritten or simplified, particularly under a single radical or through other manipulations. The focus includes algebraic expansions and potential connections to cubic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the possibility of expanding or rewriting the expression (a+b)^(1/3) + (a-b)^(1/3).
  • Another participant asserts that there is no finite expansion for the expression.
  • A subsequent post questions whether the expression \sqrt[3]{1 + \sqrt{28/27}} + \sqrt[3]{1 - \sqrt{28/27}} has a simpler form.
  • A participant responds that it does not, describing it as a nonrepeating real number and stating that the original expression is the exact representation.
  • Another participant claims that the expression simplifies to exactly 1, suggesting that it resembles a solution from Cardano's cubic formula and elaborates on the derivation of roots from cubic equations.
  • A later reply humorously acknowledges the previous participant's explanation.

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Participants express differing views on the simplification of the expression, with some asserting it cannot be simplified while others propose it simplifies to 1. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of the expression's form.

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Participants reference specific algebraic manipulations and relationships to cubic equations, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in these derivations.

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is there any expansion of

(a+b)^(1/3) + (a-b)^(1/3)

or any other manipulation that could be done to rewrite this expression, perhaps under one radical or in some other way rather than the addition of two radicals?
 
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there is no finite expansion.
 
So \sqrt[3]{1 + \sqrt{28/27}} + \sqrt[3]{1 - \sqrt{28/27}} has no simpler form?
 
no. it is a nonrepeating real number and and the expression you wrote is the exact one. most of the (algebraic) numbers are like that only.
 
Actually, there is a very easy way of writing that: it is 1!

You could, of course, do that computation on a calculator and get the result "1" but that would only show that it is "approximately" 1. I mean that it is exactly 1.

I noticed that this looks a lot like the form of solution one would expect from Cardano's cubic formula. The basic idea goes like this:

Let x= a+ b. Then x^3= a^3+ 3a^2b+ 3ab^2+ b^3. Also, -3abx= -3ab(a+ b)= -3a^2b- 3ab^2 so that x^3- 3abx= a^3+ b^3. Now let m= 3ab and n= a^3+ b^3 and we have shown that x satisfies x^3- mx= n.

Now, what about the other way around? Suppose we are given m and n. Can we find a and b and so find x= a+ b satisfying the "reduced cubic" x^3- mx= n?

Yes, we can! From m= 3ab, b= m/3a. Then n= a^3- b^3= a^3- m^3/(3^3a^3) and, multiplying by a^3, we get the quadratic, in a^3, na^3= (a^3)^2- (m/3)^3 or (a^3)^2- n(a^3)- (m/3)^3. By the quadratic formula, that has solution
a^3= \frac{n\pm\sqrt{n^2- 4(m/3)^3}}{2}= \frac{n}{2}\pm\sqrt{(n/2)^2- (m/3)^3z}

If we take the positive sign, then, from b^3= n- a^3, we have
b^3= \frac{n}{2}- \sqrt{(n/2)^3- (m/3)^3} and x= a+ b.

Now doesn't
\sqrt[3]{1+ \sqrt{\frac{28}{27}}+\sqrt[3]{1- \sqrt{\frac{28}{27}}
look exactly like that?

Of course that means that n/2= 1 and that (n/2)^2+ (m/3)^3= 28/27 Putting n/2= 1 into the second of those, (m/3)^3= 28/27- 1= -1/27 and m/3= -1/3 so m= -1. That means that the given number is a real root of x^3- mx= x^3+ x= n= 2. Obviously, x= 1 is a root of that equation and, dividing by x-1, x^3+ x- 2= (x-1)(x^2+ x+ 2)= 0. But, by the quadratic formula, x^2+ x+ 2= 0 has NO real roots. The only real root is x= 1 and that must be the one given:
\sqrt[3]{1 + \sqrt{28/27}} + \sqrt[3]{1 - \sqrt{28/27}}= 1
 
good joke Goodrich :)
 

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