Algebraic Verification of Radical Equations: Solving Without a Calculator

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The discussion revolves around the algebraic verification of a radical equation, specifically focusing on the expression involving the term \(1+\sqrt{5}\). Participants explore various methods to demonstrate the equality of both sides of the equation without the use of a calculator, including recursive expansions and the application of the binomial theorem.

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  • Some participants propose using the recursive relation for the coefficients of the expansion of \((1+\sqrt{5})^n\) to verify the equation.
  • Others present the calculations for both rational and irrational terms, leading to the conclusion that \((1+\sqrt{5})^5=176+80\sqrt{5}\).
  • A participant questions whether raising both sides of the equation to the 5th power is a valid approach, suggesting it could involve complex manipulations.
  • Another participant provides an example of the binomial expansion, indicating the potential complexity of manipulating the terms when raising to the 5th power.
  • Some participants express disagreement about the introduction of methods, with one participant feeling that their contributions are being dismissed or misunderstood.
  • One participant confirms that using the binomial theorem on the right-hand side leads to an identity that supports the original equation's validity.

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Participants express differing views on the methods used for verification, with some supporting the recursive approach while others favor the binomial theorem. There is no consensus on the best method, and some interpersonal disagreements arise regarding the contributions made in the discussion.

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Participants rely on specific mathematical expansions and recursive relations, which may depend on their interpretations of the radical equation. The discussion includes unresolved aspects regarding the manipulation of terms and the implications of the methods proposed.

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Verify that both sides of the radical equation agree without using a calculator. See picture. How can this be done algebraically?

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I would first observe that $1+\sqrt{5}$ is a root of:

$$x^2-2x-4=0$$

And so, the coefficients of the expansion:

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^n$$

Can be found recursively via:

$$A_{n}=2A_{n-1}+4A_{n-2}$$

For the rational term, we have:

$$A_0=1,\,A_1=1$$

Hence:

$$A_2=2(1)+4(1)=6$$
$$A_3=2(6)+4(1)=16$$
$$A_4=2(16)+4(6)=56$$
$$A_5=2(56)+4(16)=176$$

And for the irrational term, we have:

$$A_0=0,\,A_1=1$$

$$A_2=2(1)+4(0)=2$$
$$A_3=2(2)+4(1)=8$$
$$A_4=2(8)+4(2)=24$$
$$A_5=2(24)+4(8)=80$$

And so we may conclude:

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^5=176+80\sqrt{5}$$

And the result follows. :)
 
MarkFL said:
I would first observe that $1+\sqrt{5}$ is a root of:

$$x^2-2x-4=0$$

And so, the coefficients of the expansion:

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^n$$

Can be found recursively via:

$$A_{n}=2A_{n-1}+4A_{n-2}$$

For the rational term, we have:

$$A_0=1,\,A_1=1$$

Hence:

$$A_2=2(1)+4(1)=6$$
$$A_3=2(6)+4(1)=16$$
$$A_4=2(16)+4(6)=56$$
$$A_5=2(56)+4(16)=176$$

And for the irrational term, we have:

$$A_0=0,\,A_1=1$$

$$A_2=2(1)+4(0)=2$$
$$A_3=2(2)+4(1)=8$$
$$A_4=2(8)+4(2)=24$$
$$A_5=2(24)+4(8)=80$$

And so we may conclude:

$$(1+\sqrt{5})^5=176+80\sqrt{5}$$

And the result follows. :)

What if I decided to raise both sides to the 5th power? Can it be done this way as well?
 
RTCNTC said:
What if I decided to raise both sides to the 5th power? Can it be done this way as well?
Well, you'd have quite a few terms to manipulate; as example:

(a + b)^5 = a^5 + 5 a^4 b + 10 a^3 b^2 + 10 a^2 b^3 + 5 a b^4 + b^5
 
Wilmer said:
Well, you'd have quite a few terms to manipulate; as example:

(a + b)^5 = a^5 + 5 a^4 b + 10 a^3 b^2 + 10 a^2 b^3 + 5 a b^4 + b^5

I am not familiar with the method you introduced here involving the root of the quadratic equation.
 
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Didn't "introduce" anything...
YOU asked about raising to 5th power...
Gave you an example.
HOKAY?!
 
Wilmer said:
Didn't "introduce" anything...
YOU asked about raising to 5th power...
Gave you an example.
HOKAY?!

1. This conversation is between Mark and me.

2. I would like for you to stop commenting in my posts. To you everything is a joke.
 
RTCNTC said:
2. I would like for you to stop commenting in my posts. To you everything is a joke.
Will do; pleasure is all mine. All yours Mark...
 
Thank you very much, Mark. Interesting notes as always...
 
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RTCNTC said:
What if I decided to raise both sides to the 5th power? Can it be done this way as well?

Yes, and as Wilmer was pointing out, you would likely want to use the binomial theorem. If you raise both sides to the 5th power, you get:

$$176+80\sqrt{5}=(1+\sqrt{5})^5$$

Now, using the binomial theorem on the RHS, we obtain:

$$176+80\sqrt{5}=1+5\cdot5^{\Large\frac{1}{2}}+10\cdot5^{\Large\frac{2}{2}}+10\cdot5^{\Large\frac{3}{2}}+5\cdot5^{\Large\frac{4}{2}}+5^{\Large\frac{5}{2}}$$

$$176+80\sqrt{5}=1+5\sqrt{5}+10\cdot5+10\cdot5\sqrt{5}+5\cdot5^2+5^2\sqrt{5}$$

$$176+80\sqrt{5}=1+5\sqrt{5}+50+50\sqrt{5}+125+25\sqrt{5}$$

$$176+80\sqrt{5}=176+80\sqrt{5}$$

This is an identity, and so we know the original equation is true.
 
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Mark:

Another amazing reply!
 

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