Alpha Decay from Uranium: Electrical or Strong Nuclear Force?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of alpha decay in Uranium atoms, specifically examining the roles of the strong nuclear force and the electrical (Coulomb) force as barriers to escape from the nucleus. Participants explore theoretical models and conceptual understandings related to this nuclear process.

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  • Some participants propose that the barrier to alpha decay is primarily due to the strong nuclear force, while others argue that the Coulomb potential also plays a significant role.
  • A participant describes the nuclear force as an attractive potential well and the Coulomb force as a repulsive barrier that surrounds this well.
  • Another participant mentions that classical physics suggests alpha particles lack the energy to escape the potential well created by the strong force, but quantum tunneling allows them to escape despite this energy deficit.
  • There is a suggestion that for an alpha particle to escape, it must overcome both the attractive strong nuclear force and the repulsive Coulomb force, complicating the understanding of the barriers involved.
  • One participant emphasizes that while the Coulomb force is positive and can aid in the escape after penetrating the barrier, it should not be considered a barrier itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the barriers involved in alpha decay, with no consensus reached on whether the strong nuclear force or the Coulomb force should be considered the primary barrier. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact roles of these forces.

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Participants reference classical physics and quantum mechanics, highlighting the complexity of the interactions involved in alpha decay. There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of the forces at play.

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Hi,
In case of alpha decay from Uranium atoms, i thought the barrier is the strong nuclear force, but i had seen many textbooks saying that it is electrical barrier,

and i did rethink the subject and i imagined it as a barrier that have electrical force from one side and strong nuclear force from the other side.

i don't know,
please explain
 
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The nuclear force is attractive, like a potential well from which one must escape. The Coulomb potential is positive (repulsive) and surrounds the nuclear well. The simplest model of alpha decay (which works surprisingly well) is that the particle forms within the nucleus, repeatedly strikes the barrier, and eventually penetrates it and escapes.
 
Bill_K said:
The nuclear force is attractive, like a potential well from which one must escape. The Coulomb potential is positive (repulsive) and surrounds the nuclear well. The simplest model of alpha decay (which works surprisingly well) is that the particle forms within the nucleus, repeatedly strikes the barrier, and eventually penetrates it and escapes.

But the coulomb potential can't be considered as a barrier, because it help the alpha to escape away from the nucleus, so i feel it much clearer to say that the barrier is the strong nuclear force.
i still need to know why they consider the coulomb fore as the barrier?
 
i got this from the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_particle"
In classical physics, alpha particles do not have enough energy to escape the potential well from the strong force inside the nucleus (this well involves escaping the strong force to go up one side of the well, which is followed by the electromagnetic force causing a repulsive push-off down the other side).
However, the quantum tunnelling effect allows alphas to escape even though they do not have enough energy to overcome the nuclear force. This is allowed by the wave nature of matter, which allows the alpha particle to spend some of its time in a region so far from the nucleus that the potential from the repulsive electromagnetic force has fully compensated for the attraction of the nuclear force. From this point, alpha particles can escape, and in quantum mechanics, after a certain time, they do so.


now it become more complicated for me, it seems to me that for an alpha particle inside the nucleus to escape from it, it has to overcome two barriers one due to the strong nuclear force, while the other is due to the electrical repulsion from the other particles around it
?
 
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If you Want to Learn, pay attention to what I said:
The nuclear force is attractive, like a potential well from which one must escape.
The nuclear force is a well (negative), the Coulomb force is a barrier (positive)
But the coulomb potential can't be considered as a barrier, because it help the alpha to escape away from the nucleus,
To escape first the nuclear well, the alpha particle needs to have an energy E > 0. The Coulomb barrier V(x) is positive with a maximum Vmax > E. Then as you get farther away from the nucleus it tapers off. So the alpha particle must penetrate this barrier out to a distance where V(x) ≤ E. The Coulomb force only helps the alpha particle to escape after it has penetrated the barrier.
 
These are much clear statements, i got it
many thanks
 

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