Alpha is 1/137th of what? (Fine Structure Constant)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Fine Structure Constant, specifically exploring what the denominator of 137 represents in practical applications of the formula in nature. Participants seek to understand the significance of this value and its manifestations in accessible terms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the practical significance of the denominator 137 in the Fine Structure Constant, questioning what it represents in nature.
  • One participant suggests that the Fine Structure Constant relates to the strength of the electric force between elementary charges, compared to hbar times c, indicating its relevance to quantum effects.
  • Another participant notes that the Fine Structure Constant characterizes the strength of electromagnetic interactions and emphasizes its dimensionless nature, stating that its precise value is not fully understood.
  • A participant mentions that the relationship between 1 and 137 can be observed in the ground state of a hydrogen atom, where the speed of the electron is proportional to the speed of light multiplied by α.
  • It is proposed that the Fine Structure Constant represents the ratio between the electric force properties of electrons and the energy of photons, though the reason for its specific value remains unknown.
  • One participant states that it is approximately one 137th of 1, indicating it is a dimensionless number.
  • Another participant describes it as the square of the electric charge in natural units divided by 4 pi.
  • A historical note is made regarding Eddington's attempts to show that 137 was an exact value, highlighting the speculative nature of some interpretations.
  • Several participants reiterate the inquiry about practical processes that illustrate the relationship between 1 and 137.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the significance of the Fine Structure Constant and its applications, with no consensus reached on a definitive explanation of what 137 represents.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the significance of the Fine Structure Constant, as well as the unresolved nature of its value and implications in various contexts.

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Hi. With regard to the Fine Structure Constant, I have been trying to figure out the practical applications of the formula in nature but have had difficulty trying to discern what the 137 denominator in the equation represents. ie, it is 1 137th of what? Or, 137 whats?

Is there a practical process in nature in which the relationship between the 1 and the 137 is patently manifest and describes the equation in a manner which is more accessible for a layman?
 
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It is the strength of the electric force between two elementary charges, compared to hbar*c, reduced Planck's constant times speed of light.
hbar*c has something to do with the size at which quantum effects become important. So, you could interpret the fine structure constant as how important quantum effects are for the electric force.
 
juniorcarty said:
Hi. With regard to the Fine Structure Constant, I have been trying to figure out the practical applications of the formula in nature but have had difficulty trying to discern what the 137 denominator in the equation represents. ie, it is 1 137th of what? Or, 137 whats?

Is there a practical process in nature in which the relationship between the 1 and the 137 is patently manifest and describes the equation in a manner which is more accessible for a layman?
The Fine Structure Constant ##\alpha## characterizes the strength of the electromagnetic interaction between charged particles. Its value is not precisely 1/137 (see my link). It just happens to be quite close to that value. So far, we have no deeper explanation for its value -- we merely measure its value from the results of various high precision experiments.

##\alpha## is one of the more intriguing constants of nature, since it is dimensionless -- meaning that its value doesn't depend on which system of units we choose.

As for "applications",... it affects all electromagnetic phenomena, both classical and quantum.
 
juniorcarty said:
Is there a practical process in nature in which the relationship between the 1 and the 137 is patently manifest and describes the equation in a manner which is more accessible for a layman?

It comes up in a number of places. The most intuitive, it seems to me, occurs in the ground state of a hydrogen atom. The speed of the electron is simply α times c, speed of light.

Of course "speed" is not observable but is calculated from the electron's momentum in the s-orbital.
 
It is the ratio between constant properties of the electric force of electrons and the energy of photons.

Why it has this value is unknown.
 
juniorcarty said:
it is 1 137th of what?
It is approximately one 137th of 1. Which means, it is a pure number written approximately as a fraction.
 
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It is the square of the electric charge expressed in natural units divided by 4 pi.
 
Some history. Eddington at one time tried to show by numerical reasoning that 137 was exact. Even the best of them have crazy ideas.
 
juniorcarty said:
Is there a practical process in nature in which the relationship between the 1 and the 137 is patently manifest and describes the equation in a manner which is more accessible for a layman?
Hi juniorcarty, Sixty Symbols covered α in this clip:
 

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