Alternative equation for a line

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The discussion revolves around deriving an alternative equation for a line in the Cartesian plane, specifically exploring the relationship between the standard linear equation and its representation in polar coordinates. Participants are examining the implications of the angle and distance parameters in the context of line equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a lemma stating that a line L can be expressed in the form ax + by = c and suggests an alternative representation using polar coordinates: xsin(r) - ycos(r) + p = 0.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of the angle r in the polar representation, indicating that it is likely the angle between the line and the x-axis.
  • A third participant clarifies that |p| represents the distance from the line to the origin (0,0).
  • Further, a participant derives the y-intercept from the standard line equation and relates it to the angle r through a right triangle formed with points on the line, suggesting that tan(r) can be used to connect these concepts.

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Participants appear to be exploring different aspects of the same problem without reaching a consensus. There are multiple interpretations of the parameters involved, particularly regarding the angle r and its geometric implications.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of the parameters and the geometric relationships involved, which may not be universally agreed upon. The derivation steps and their dependencies on specific conditions remain unresolved.

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Hi there,

I've been having a problem understanding how to derive a formula. I have here a lemma that states:
A line L is a set of points (x,y) in R^2 where (x,y) satisfy the equation ax + by = c with (a,b) are not trivial and every such equation determines a line. This can be rewritten as:
xsin(r) - ycos(r) + p = 0

Maybe I'm constantly doing something wrong but I've tried to do tricks with the vector form of a line and polar coordinates but to no avail :(

Anyone got an idea?
 
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noxf said:
Hi there,

I've been having a problem understanding how to derive a formula. I have here a lemma that states:
A line L is a set of points (x,y) in R^2 where (x,y) satisfy the equation ax + by = c with (a,b) are not trivial and every such equation determines a line. This can be rewritten as:
xsin(r) - ycos(r) + p = 0

Maybe I'm constantly doing something wrong but I've tried to do tricks with the vector form of a line and polar coordinates but to no avail :(

Anyone got an idea?
What does r represent in the second equation? Pretty obviously it's an angle, but which angle?
 
r is the angle between the line L and x-axis. |p| is the distance from L to (0,0).
 
From the equation ax + by = c, solve for y to get y = (-a/b) * x + c/b
When x = 0, y = c/b, so the y-intercept is at (0, c/b).

Let P(x, y) be a point on line L. Form a right triangle whose vertices are (0, c/b), (x, y) and (x, y - c/b). (In my drawing I am assuming that line L has a positive slope, so that the point at (x, y) is above and to the right of the y-intercept.)

From this triangle, tan(r) = (y - c/b)/x, so x tan(r) = y - c/b. From here you should be able to get to the equation in the lemma.
 
Thanks a lot for the swift reply :)
 

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