Alternative Method for Solving ∫sin(3x)cos(5x)dx?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding alternative methods to solve the integral $\displaystyle\int \sin(3x)\cos(5x)dx$. Participants explore various approaches, including trigonometric identities and integration techniques, while expressing concerns about specific aspects of the solutions presented.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution using the product-to-sum formulas, expressing concern about the negative sign in the result for the term involving $-2x$.
  • Another participant explains that the negative sign does not affect the cosine function due to its even property, stating $\cos(-x) = \cos(x)$.
  • A different approach is suggested involving the expansion of $\sin(3x)$ and $\cos(5x)$ into polynomial forms, leading to a more complex expression that can be integrated term by term.
  • Another participant proposes transforming the integral into a different form and suggests using integration by parts as a method to solve it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single alternative method for solving the integral. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, with some participants expressing a desire for clarification on specific aspects of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the solutions involve complex transformations and expansions, which may introduce additional assumptions or dependencies on definitions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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another trig problem that i tried to solve. just want know an alternative way of solving this without using product formula.

$\displaystyle\int \sin(3x)\cos(5x)dx$

anyways this is how i solved it

$\displaystyle\int\frac{1}{2}\sin(3x-5x)+\frac{1}{2}\sin(3x+5x)dx$

$\displaystyle\int\frac{1}{2}\sin(-2x)+\frac{1}{2}\sin(8x)dx$

$\displaystyle\frac{1}{2}\int\sin(-2x)dx+\frac{1}{2}\int\sin(8x)dx$

$\displaystyle u=-2x$; $\displaystyle du=-2dx$; $\displaystyle dx=-\frac{1}{2}du$

$\displaystyle v=8x$; $\displaystyle dv=8dx$; $\displaystyle dx=\frac{1}{8}dv$

$\displaystyle-\frac{1}{4}\int\sin(u)du+\frac{1}{16}\int\sin(v)dv$

$\displaystyle -\frac{1}{4}(-\cos(-2x))+\frac{1}{16}(-\cos(8x))+C$

$\displaystyle \frac{1}{4}\cos(-2x)-\frac{1}{16}\cos(8x)+C$ ---- this is my answer.

the -2x part in this answer is bothering me because in my book it's not negative. please tell me why is that.
 
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paulmdrdo said:
The $-2x$ part in this answer is bothering me because in my book it's not negative. Please tell me why is that.

Because $\cos$ is an even function. That is, $\cos(-x)= \cos(x)$ for all $x$.
 
is there another way of solving this? please let me know.
 
Hello, paulmdrdo!

Is there another way of solving this?

. . \displaystyle \int \sin(3x)\cos(5x)\,dx
There is . . . but you won't like it!Identities:

. . \sin(3x) \:=\:3\sin x - 4\sin^3\!x
. . \cos(5x) \:=\:5\cos x - 20\cos^3\!x + 16\cos^5\!xHence:

.\sin(3x)\cos(5x) \,=\, (3\sin x\!-\!4\sin^3\!x)(5\cos x\!-\!20\cos^3\!x\!+\!16\cos^5\!x)

. . =\;15\sin\cos x - 60\sin x\cos^3\!x + 48\sin x\cos^5\!x
. . . . . - 20\sin^3\!x\cos x + 80\sin^3\!x\cos^3\!x - 64\sin^3\!x\cos^5\!xNow integrate that term by term.
 
$$\int \sin(ax) \cos(bx) \, dx $$

Can be transformed to

$$\frac{1}{a}\int \sin(x) \cos(c x) \, dx $$

Try integration by parts twice .
 
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ZaidAlyafey said:
$$\int \sin(ax) \cos(bx) \, dx $$

Can be transformed to

$$\frac{1}{a}\int \sin(x) \cos(c x) \, dx $$

Try integration by parts twice .

You wouldn't even need to transform. Just integrate by parts twice and "solve" for the integral.
 

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