Alternative path to taking roots of both sides of equation

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The discussion revolves around the methods and implications of taking square roots of both sides of equations and inequalities, particularly when manipulating expressions with negative rational exponents. Participants explore various examples and the validity of their approaches, focusing on the conditions under which these manipulations hold true.

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  • One participant presents a method for taking square roots by multiplying both sides of an equation by terms with negative rational exponents, providing several examples to illustrate their reasoning.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the approach, particularly in the context of the function's domain and the implications of losing solutions when dividing by variables.
  • Several participants discuss the monotonicity of the square root function, asserting that if \( a > b > 0 \), then \( \sqrt{a} > \sqrt{b} \) should hold true, but express uncertainty about proving this directly through the initial manipulations.
  • One participant suggests a more rigorous approach to proving the inequality using properties of the square root function and its derivative, emphasizing that it is strictly increasing for positive values.
  • Another participant reiterates that the implication \( a > b > 0 \Rightarrow \sqrt{a} > \sqrt{b} \) is trivial due to the nature of the square root function.

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Participants generally agree on the property that \( \sqrt{a} > \sqrt{b} \) for \( a > b > 0 \), but there is disagreement on the methods used to arrive at this conclusion and the validity of the initial manipulations involving negative rational exponents. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to prove the inequality without circular reasoning.

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Participants note limitations in the initial manipulations, particularly concerning the loss of solutions when dividing by variables and the need to consider the domain of the functions involved. There is also mention of the potential circularity in the reasoning presented.

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The full question is: "How can we take square root of both sides of an inequality or equation just by multiplying each side by numbers with negative rational exponents". I will include several examples to explain how I think about it.
1)a=b, a^(-0.5)*a=b*a^(-0.5) (but a^(-0.5)=b^(-0.5)) then a^(-0.5)*a=b*b^(-0.5) which is sqrt(a)=sqrt(b)

2)a>0 b>0
a>b
a^(-0.5)*a>b*a^(-0.5) b^(-0.5)*a>b^0.5 ?
a^(0.5)=b*a^(-0.5)? (Trying to prove that sqrt(a)>sqrt(b))

3)x^2=2.5
x^(-1)*x^2=2.5*2.5^(-0.5) (2.5^(-0.5)=x^(-1))
x=sqrt(2.5)
Which is incorrect. Because the true solution is sqrt(x^2)=sqrt(2.5) then |x|=sqrt(2.5) and x1=+sqrt(2.5), x2=-sqrt(2.5)

(The question has similarities with this one https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...-equation-and-inequality.823960/#post-5174108)
 
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Is what I am doing possible?
 
Hello Arman,

Would it help you to draw some graphs ? The graph for the function ##f(x) = \sqrt x## exists only in the ##f \ge 0 \ {\rm and} \ x \ge 0 ## quadrant. But the graph of ##g(x) = x^2 ## exists in the upper half of the x, g plane. This last one should help you find out why your first step in 3. is a glitch ...
 
BvU said:
Hello Arman,

Would it help you to draw some graphs ? The graph for the function ##f(x) = \sqrt x## exists only in the ##f \ge 0 \ {\rm and} \ x \ge 0 ## quadrant. But the graph of ##g(x) = x^2 ## exists in the upper half of the x, g plane. This last one should help you find out why your first step in 3. is a glitch ...

Hi,
I think that is because I lost one solution when dividing by x
 
I still don't understand 2) it should be true that sqrt(a)>sqrt(b) because it is monotonically increasing
 
I think that is because I lost one solution when dividing by x
exactly.

it should be true that sqrt(a)>sqrt(b) because it is monotonically increasing
I don't think you can prove ##a > b \Rightarrow \sqrt a > \sqrt b\ (a>b>0)## this way: it's a bit circular.

With a bit of liberty, I would do $$ \Bigl ( a> 0 \Rightarrow \sqrt a > 0 \ \& \ b> 0 \Rightarrow \sqrt b > 0 \Bigr ) \Rightarrow \ \sqrt a + \sqrt b > 0 $$ And then use this in
$$ \Biggl ( a - b > 0 \ \& \ a - b = \left ( \sqrt {\mathstrut a} - \sqrt {\mathstrut b} \right ) \left ( \sqrt {\mathstrut a} + \sqrt {\mathstrut b} \right ) \Biggr )
\ \ \Rightarrow \ \ \sqrt {\mathstrut a} - \sqrt {\mathstrut b} > 0 $$
 
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For ##a>b>0,## ##\sqrt{a}>\sqrt{b}## is a trivial implication for ##y=\sqrt{x}## is a strictly increasing function.
 
tommyxu3 said:
For ##a>b>0,## ##\sqrt{a}>\sqrt{b}## is a trivial implication for ##y=\sqrt{x}## is a strictly increasing function.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think your answer is a bit off topic. Anyway thanks for your reply!
 
It may be another way to prove ##a>b>0\Rightarrow \sqrt{a}>\sqrt{b}## using the increase of ##y=\sqrt{x}.##
Let ##f(x)=\sqrt{x},## then ##f(0)=0.## Besides, ##f'(x)=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}},## which is always positive when ##x> 0.## As a result, ##f(x)## is a strictly increasing function, so ##a>b>0\Rightarrow \sqrt{a}>\sqrt{b}## is correct.
 
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