Am I smart enough to study Physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the participant's concerns about their readiness and motivation to study physics, particularly in relation to their academic background in mathematics and previous experiences in physics. It explores the relationship between intelligence, effort, and success in the fields of math and physics, as well as the requirements for graduate school in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their ability to study physics due to a lack of motivation and poor performance in Calculus 3, despite good grades in earlier math courses.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial academic performance indicates potential capability, stating that the individual is "almost certainly 'smart enough' to study Physics."
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a strong mathematical foundation for success in physics, with emphasis on the importance of effort and self-discipline.
  • Some participants argue that without motivation and effort, intelligence alone is insufficient for success in physics or mathematics.
  • There is a discussion about the adequacy of a math degree and two lower division physics classes for admission to graduate school, with a consensus that more upper-level physics courses are typically required.
  • Participants suggest that intrinsic motivation is essential and recommend exploring personal interests in physics to foster motivation.
  • Requests for inspirational physics books are made, indicating a desire for external sources of motivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that motivation and effort are crucial for success in physics and mathematics. However, there is no consensus on the specific requirements for graduate school admission, as some believe that a math degree and limited physics coursework may suffice, while others argue that more extensive coursework is necessary.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their abilities and motivations, highlighting the subjective nature of readiness for studying physics. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the importance of foundational knowledge and personal drive in pursuing academic goals.

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Little bit about myself. I go to a top 50 school and I'm currently majoring in Math. I got an A in Cal 1 and 2 and a C in Cal 3. I got an A- in Discrete Math. No physics classes. I did not really put any effort in Cal 3 and did not do any homework (currently poorly motivate, which is why I want to get out of Math). Still I'm unsure whether I have what it takes to study math/physics. I got a B in regular high school physics. I have a curiosity of the natural world, but I'm afraid that this curiosity might just be shallow. I want to understand the mathematical reality which binds the physical world. How do you know if you are smart enough to study physics? Where do you get your motivation from? Also if I wanted to go to grad school in say physics, would a math degree and two lower division physics classes be enough to get in?
 
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Your topic title:
Am I smart enough to study Physics?

and what you say about yourself:
I got an A in Cal 1 and 2 and a C in Cal 3. I got an A- in Discrete Math. No physics classes. I did not really put any effort in Cal 3 and did not do any homework (currently poorly motivate, which is why I want to get out of Math). Still I'm unsure whether I have what it takes to study math/physics.

means, Yes.
 
TruthSeeker said:
No physics classes. I did not really put any effort in Cal 3 and did not do any homework (currently poorly motivate, which is why I want to get out of Math).
You won't get far in physics before seeing a lot more math than you've already seen.
 
You mentioned nothing of Trigonometry, but one would assume that more than just basic Trigonometry was used and learned (or relearned) as part of your Calc 2 & 3. Like I say, you are almost certainly "smart enough" to study Physics.
 
Mark44 said:
You won't get far in physics before seeing a lot more math than you've already seen.

I mean I like math, but I don't see the point in studying pure math. By getting out of math I mean getting out of pure math. Although cal 3 was not a pure math class, I have to say that when you have no motivation or direction it can be hard to accomplish things. That is my real problem.. Can someone inspire me or suggest an inspirational physics book?
 
TruthSeeker said:
I mean I like math, but I don't see the point in studying pure math. By getting out of math I mean getting out of pure math. Although cal 3 was not a pure math class, I have to say that when you have no motivation or direction it can be hard to accomplish things. That is my real problem.. Can someone inspire me or suggest an inspirational physics book?
*I mean cal 3 is not a proof based class.
 
TruthSeeker said:
I mean I like math, but I don't see the point in studying pure math. By getting out of math I mean getting out of pure math. Although cal 3 was not a pure math class, I have to say that when you have no motivation or direction it can be hard to accomplish things. That is my real problem.. Can someone inspire me or suggest an inspirational physics book?
TruthSeeker said:
*I mean cal 3 is not a proof based class.
You may APPLY some Calculus and Calculus 3 material as TOOLS in the study of Physics. NOW you may feel better about picking Physics as a major field to study.
 
TruthSeeker said:
I did not really put any effort in Cal 3 and did not do any homework (currently poorly motivate, which is why I want to get out of Math).
If you don't put in any effort and don't do any homework then it doesn't matter how smart you are. Everyone runs into a wall at some point where they can't get through on their intelligence alone. If you want to be successful in physics or mathematics, you'll need some more self-discipline

Still I'm unsure whether I have what it takes to study math/physics. I got a B in regular high school physics. I have a curiosity of the natural world, but I'm afraid that this curiosity might just be shallow. I want to understand the mathematical reality which binds the physical world. How do you know if you are smart enough to study physics?
There's no real litmus test for this I'm afraid. You just start studying it and you'll find out if you're smart enough along the way. In most cases if you're not at least reasonably sure that you want to do it from the beginning, it's probably not the path for you.

Also if I wanted to go to grad school in say physics, would a math degree and two lower division physics classes be enough to get in?
Most programs won't seriously consider you unless you have a number of core upper year physics courses. There may be a rare exception, but at this point in the game if you're seriously considering graduate school for physics, it's best to transfer and pick up the course that you need.

TruthSeeker said:
...when you have no motivation or direction it can be hard to accomplish things. That is my real problem.. Can someone inspire me or suggest an inspirational physics book?
Motivation is intrinsic. It's not really something that we can give you. That said, you can foster it by exploring as much as you can on your own. If you're interested in a subject, read up on it on your own. Take up a project or two and get your hands dirty.
 

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