Ammonia and polycarbonate reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reaction between ammonia (NH3) and polycarbonate bottles, specifically focusing on the unexpected formation of white crystals and a brown suspension. Participants explore potential chemical products resulting from this interaction and express concerns regarding safe disposal methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that storing 2M NH3 in polycarbonate bottles led to the formation of white crystals and a brown suspension, expressing concern about the nature of these products and their disposal.
  • Another participant suggests that ammonia may have reacted with the carbonyl groups in polycarbonate, potentially leading to the cleavage of the polymer chain and the formation of a red amine conjugated compound. They propose that the white precipitate could be ammonium carbonate.
  • A participant provides links to resources, including an MSDS for ammonium carbonate, to assist in understanding the chemical involved.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of contacting a safety officer or chemical waste disposal expert for guidance on proper disposal methods.

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There is no consensus on the exact nature of the products formed from the reaction, and multiple hypotheses are presented regarding the chemical interactions and potential byproducts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific identity of the white crystals and the brown suspension.

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The discussion lacks detailed information on the specific conditions of the reaction, such as temperature or duration, and does not clarify the assumptions underlying the proposed chemical mechanisms. The potential risks associated with the precipitate are also not fully addressed.

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I accidentally stored some 2M NH3 in polycarbonate bottles , and now they're toast. It produced some white crystals and a brown suspension. I've done a little Googling and haven't found what the possible products are. Do you know what they could be? I am mostly concerned about disposal, and of course, any time I see crystals precipitate from ammonia solutions I'm a little worried.
 
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Polycarbonates have carbonyl groups , ammonia may have nucleophilically attached itself and thus cut the polymer chain and produce some type of a red amine conjugated compound. The white precipitate may be ammonium carbonate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_carbonate

The following is an MSDS for Ammonium Carbonate

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a5688.htm

I would dispose of it in a HMIS labeled container and have it picked up by chemical waste services although this can be expensive. Are you asking this question as applied to an industrial setting?
 
not industry..just a couple bottles from the lab.

thanks for the information. I'm going to try calling the chemical supply company too
 
likeachild said:
not industry..just a couple bottles from the lab.

thanks for the information. I'm going to try calling the chemical supply company too

On a practical point, just call your safety officer, or whoever is in charge of chemical waste disposal, and explain the situation to them and that you need assistance in determining how to dispose of the resultant product. Most of the time, these people are so bored with their jobs that they just live for challenges like this.
 

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