# Amount of Plutonium used in Trinity

1. Dec 5, 2012

### peripatein

Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

Hi,

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

I am asked to find the amount of Plutonium used in the 1945 experiment, first by estimating the energy released based on dimensional analysis and a photo, then using E=mc^2 and the fact that merely 0.1% of the rest mass was released during the fission.

2. Relevant equations

3. The attempt at a solution

I first arrived at 1.0023*10^14 Joules (which is pretty close to the official results (8.78*10^13 Joules), then the mass would have to be 1000*E/(c^2). 1000 due to the 0.1% actually released. Which yielded 1.113 kg, but that's way off! The correct answer has to be around 6 kg. What am I doing wrong?

2. Dec 5, 2012

### SHISHKABOB

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

How did you first arrive at 1.0032*1014J?

3. Dec 5, 2012

### peripatein

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

From dimensional analysis, E is proportional to rho*R^5/t^2. Rho is around 1.298 kg/m^3, R (based on the photo) is 137 m, and t=0.025 sec. This yields E=1.0023*10^14 Joules.

4. Dec 5, 2012

### peripatein

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

It's rather surprising no one has yet commented on the solution and the potential error.

5. Dec 5, 2012

### SHISHKABOB

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

probably because you didn't explain your work very much, so your question is confusing. What photo are you talking about? What work did you do to get E is proportional to ρR5/t2?

6. Dec 5, 2012

### peripatein

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

As I said, sheer dimensional analysis, i.e. equating units. Hence, I wasn't reluctant to explain anything, there is simply not much to explain. The photo may be found online and the link was given to us by the instructor:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/62592750@N05/5699376671/

7. Dec 5, 2012

### SHISHKABOB

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

Sorry if I implied that I thought you were "reluctant" :)

maybe it's just to do with whatever constant of proportionality might be there? I mean, you're off by less than an order of magnitude, and that's pretty good for rough "back of the envelope" calculations. Was your instructor very specific about wanting 6kg?

8. Dec 5, 2012

### peripatein

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

Not at all. I found the "official" result online. Is there anything amiss with my calculation? Can you point out anything specific? I mean, aside a possible constant of proportionality.

9. Dec 5, 2012

### SHISHKABOB

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

I'm not exactly sure, sorry. My feeling is that you are close enough for this kind of problem. The energy is probably not distributed evenly inside of the fireball even after just 0.025s, so that might be a source of uncertainty. These test bombs were also detonated while suspended some number of meters off the ground, right? A good portion of the energy is also probably lost into the ground.

I think that you approached the problem correctly and went through it with the right ideas, and that's what really matters. Not so much having an answer that's off by a bit.

10. Dec 5, 2012

### peripatein

Re: Amount of Plutonium used in "Trinity"

Thank you!