Ampere's Law and Choosing a Loop for Integration

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The discussion revolves around the application of Ampere's Law, particularly in the context of choosing an appropriate loop for integration when analyzing magnetic fields created by current-carrying plates. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the law can be applied and the implications of symmetry in the setup.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind the choice of contour for applying Ampere's Law, questioning the relationship between the contour and the current, as well as the evaluation of the integral of dl. Other participants suggest rules for choosing loops and emphasize the importance of symmetry in determining the magnetic field.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering rules for selecting loops and discussing the implications of symmetry. There is a recognition of the need to verify assumptions about the magnetic field's behavior based on the chosen loop, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the original poster's confusion.

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The discussion includes references to specific rules for applying Ampere's Law and the implications of drawing loops around current-carrying plates. The original poster expresses confusion about the integral of dl and the setup of the contour, indicating a need for further clarification on these points.

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This is a solution to an old exam and I am confused by the application of amperes law here.
What is the general rule for drawing our "ampere'ian surface" when using amperes law? I thought we have to draw a countour that encloses I and have it in the direction of the bfield created by I

For example, in this question, I don't understand why they drew the contour around the bottom plate like that and in the zx plane. Why is the contour like that? And why is the integral of dl just equal to w? I thought we had to sum the length of the contour. For example if the contour was a circle we would say integral of dl is 2(pi)r.
 
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Rule 1: Choose your loop so that current flows through it.
Rule 2: Verify by using a symmetry argument that the B-field is constant on the entire loop and has direction either perpendicular or parallel to the loop (sense of integration).

In this example you can draw the loop either around the bottom plate or the top to satisfy Rule 1. If you draw it around both plates you get zero net current through which by the way says that B-field is zero outside the plates. The symmetry argument is supported by the given "Assume that ... " wording. The integral is Bw because
B⋅dl = B dl since B and dl are in the same direction. Take B out of the integral because it is the same every where between the plates and you have the integral of dl. What is that?
 
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Rule 1: Choose your loop so that current flows through it.
Rule 2: Verify by using a symmetry argument that the B-field is constant on the entire loop and has direction either perpendicular or parallel to the loop (sense of integration).

In this example you can draw the loop either around the bottom plate or the top to satisfy Rule 1. If you draw it around both plates you get zero net current through which by the way says that B-field is zero outside the plates. The symmetry argument is supported by the given "Assume that ... " wording. The integral is Bw because
B⋅dl = B dl since B and dl are in the same direction. Take B out of the integral because it is the same every where between the plates and you have the integral of dl. What is that?
got it. thanks
 

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