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The problem involves calculating the magnetic field around a conducting cylindrical shell with a given volume current density. The shell has an inner radius R1 and an outer radius R2, and the magnetic field needs to be determined in various regions of space.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of Ampere's Law and the calculation of enclosed current (Ienc) for different regions. There are attempts to integrate the current density correctly, with some questioning the integration limits and expressions used.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding integration steps and the evaluation of the magnetic field, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the final expressions.

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Participants are navigating through potential mistakes in their calculations and clarifying the setup of the problem. There are indications of confusion regarding specific mathematical steps, particularly in the integration process.

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Homework Statement


A conducting cylindrical shell has it's axle on Ox axis, inner radius R1 and outer radius R2. If the volume current density is given by the formula \vec{j}(r)=J0\frac{r}{R1}\hat{i} where J0 is a constant and r the distance from the cylinder's axle, calculate the magnetic field \vec{B} : 1) Everywhere in space and 2) On the Oy. Oz axis in a position y>R2 and z>R2



The Attempt at a Solution



Using ampere's law we can easy say that for r<R1 the magnetic field is zero because there is no current passing through the amperian loop. For R1<r<R2 the region that the not uniform density takes place.
I draw an amperian loop of radius r. The whole point as i see it is to calculate the Ienc . So step by step what i did :


1) dI=J*da ,da=2πrdr so dI= \frac{2π}{R1}j0 r2dr

2)so Ienc= \frac{2π}{R1}j0 ∫r2dr from R1 to r.

3)so Ienc= \frac{2π}{3R1}j0 (r3-R13)

4) Thus the amperes law gives ∫Bdl=μ0\frac{2π}{3R1}j0 (r3-R13) and B2πr=μ0\frac{2π}{3R1}j0 (r3-R13) so B=μ0\frac{2π}{3R1}j0 [r2-(R13/r)]

5) For r>R2, outside the cylinder, the amperian loop will include the total current which the same as Ienc but for r=R2 so Itotal= \frac{2π}{3R1}j0 (R23-R13)

6) And applying the ampere's law again into a loop radius r>R2 it gives B= (μ0j0/3r)[(R23/R1)-R12]

7) It seems that in the Oy,Oz axis the magnetic field is the same and outside the cylinder it decreases with a ratio 1/r. The magnetic field is doing loops around the cylinder and inside the area with the current in the \hat{φ} direction.

I am not sure if what i did is correct and the conclusions i made. Can you comment please?
 
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Krikri said:

Homework Statement


A conducting cylindrical shell has it's axle on Ox axis, inner radius R1 and outer radius R2. If the volume current density is given by the formula \vec{j}(r)=J0\frac{r}{R1}\hat{i} where J0 is a constant and r the distance from the cylinder's axle, calculate the magnetic field \vec{B} : 1) Everywhere in space and 2) On the Oy. Oz axis in a position y>R2 and z>R2



The Attempt at a Solution



For R1<r<R2 the region that the not uniform density takes place.
I draw an amperian loop of radius r. The whole point as i see it is to calculate the Ienc . So step by step what i did :


1) dI=J*da ,da=2πrdr
Right.
so dI= \frac{2π}{R1}j0 r2dr
Wrong. Why did you not integrate dI = 2 pi j r' dr' from R1 to r?
 
rude man said:
Right.

Wrong. Why did you not integrate dI = 2 pi j r' dr' from R1 to r?

I thought that if the current is in the green area, then the integration is from R1 o r.

Cylinder.jpg


EDIT: i saw it now. I did integrate from R1 to r..i forgot to put the 'd' in the r2..so it is dr2 in the first step
 
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Krikri said:
I did integrate from R1 to r..i forgot to put the 'd' in the r2..so it is dr2 in the first step

Not sure I understand that.

Actually however, you did everything right in your original post except when it came to evaluating B for case 2 where you forgot to divide by 2 pi.

I'm sorry, your expressions fooled me for a while but they were mostly OK all along.
 
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rude man said:
Not sure I understand that.

never mind that, it was a mistake i thought i did :)

rude man said:
Actually however, you did everything right in your original post except when it came to evaluating B for case 2 where you forgot to divide by 2 pi.

I'm sorry, your expressions fooled me for a while but they were mostly OK all along.

thanks for your reply you really helped me
 

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