Ampere's Law (I think). Induced current from current carrying wire

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a square loop of wire placed near a long straight current-carrying wire, with a focus on calculating the induced current due to a changing magnetic field as described by Ampere's Law and Faraday's Law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of Ampere's Law and the Biot-Savart Law to determine the magnetic field and flux through the loop. Questions arise regarding the correct expression for the current in the wire and its dependence on time. There is also discussion about the integration required to find the total flux due to the non-uniform magnetic field.

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Participants have provided various approaches to calculating the magnetic field and induced current, with some clarifying the relationship between the changing current and induced emf. There is ongoing exploration of the correct expressions and assumptions, particularly regarding the area and flux calculations.

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There are mentions of potential confusion regarding constants in the current expression and the integration limits for calculating flux. Participants are also addressing the implications of the magnetic field's variation across the loop's area.

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Homework Statement



A 1.60 cm x 1.60 cm square loop of wire with resistance [tex]1.10 \times 10^{-2} \Omega[/tex] is parallel to a long straight wire. The near edge of the loop is 1.10 cm from the wire. The current in the wire is increasing at the rate of 100 A/s

Homework Equations


I think I have to use Ampere's law to enclose the parallel wires.

[tex]\oint B*dl = \mu_0I_{enclosed}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


This is all I have so far:

[tex]B*2\pi r=\mu_0(100-I_1+I_2)t[/tex]

I_1 would be the part of the loop closest to the long wire, and I_2 would be farthest. I'm not sure how to proceed further because I get the feeling that I'm just plain doing this problem incorrectly.
 
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If the current in the wire is I, what is the flux of the magnetic field generated by it through the square loop?

Now if the current I is changing, the flux through the square loop also changes, and by Faraday's law there will be an induced emf in the square loop. From the induced emf and the resistance you can calculate the induced current.
 
If the current in the wire is I, what is the flux of the magnetic field generated by it through the square loop?

The flux's sign is arbitrary, but it's equal to BA, which is B(0.016)^2 in this case. And B can be determined by Biot-Savart's law? Integrating from 0 to 0.016:

[tex]\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi}\times \frac{I}{r^3}\int dl[/tex]

Is that correct?

From that I would get B, then I could plug in the function for the current in the wire I which is changing, which would result in a changing flux.
 
It is easier to calculate B from Ampere's law, because of the symmetry. You should get

[tex]B = \frac{\mu_{0}I}{2\pi r}[/tex]

Since B is not constant over the square loop (it changes with r), you will have to perform an integration to find the flux.
 
That's where I was stuck earlier. I'm not exactly sure what I is equal to. I am thinking it is a function of time. Is it 100t, where t equals time in seconds? Or do I have to include the current inside of the square loop as well?
 
I is the current in the wire, I = C + 100t, where C is some constant. It doesn't matter what the constant is because only the derivative of I is required here.
 
dx said:
I is the current in the wire, I = C + 100t, where C is some constant. It doesn't matter what the constant is because only the derivative of I is required here.

Thank you, it is very clear now.

edit:
r is in the denominator, so do i end up with [100mu/(2pi)]ln(r), with r evaluated from 0.01 - 0.026?
 
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You should get

[tex]\Phi_{B} = \frac{0.016\mu_{0}(C + 100t)}{2 \pi}\ln\frac{0.027}{0.011}[/tex]
 
Where does the 0.016 come from?

edit: i think 0.016 should be 0.016^2
 
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If I take the derivative of the flux with respect to t i get your equation for flux, but instead of (C+100t) it is just (100).

After calculating the derivative of the flux with respect to t, this equals the EMF. I then set EMF = IR, and so the current = EMF/R. Since R = 1.1*10^-2, I get 1630 microAmps, but the answer is 26.1. Is there something I'm missing?
 
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Something was wrong with my calculator, and now I get the right answer. However, why is there only one factor of 0.016 in the calculation for flux?

Isn't flux = BA, and A is equal to 0.016^2.
 
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Flux is BA only when B is constant over the area. Here, B depends on r.

A small element of the area over which B is constant is therefore the part of the square between r and r + dr, whose area is 0.016⋅dr (draw a picture). The flux through this small element is 0.016⋅dr⋅B(r). The total flux is then the integral of this: ∫0.016⋅dr⋅B(r).
 
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Okay, 100% clear now, ready to be locked
 

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