Amplitude and Energy: A Simple Explanation

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The discussion centers on the relationship between energy and amplitude in sound waves, specifically that energy (E) is proportional to the square of the amplitude (A), expressed as E ∝ A². The initial explanation attempted to use simple harmonic motion (SHM) and basic physics formulas, but inaccuracies in the derivation were pointed out, particularly regarding the definitions of acceleration and velocity. A more accurate understanding emphasizes that energy cannot be negative, reinforcing the necessity of squaring the amplitude to maintain a positive value. The textbook referenced is "Musical Acoustics" by Donald Hall.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic physics concepts such as force, work, and energy
  • Familiarity with simple harmonic motion (SHM) principles
  • Knowledge of sound wave properties and amplitude
  • Basic calculus concepts (though the discussion aims to avoid calculus)
NEXT STEPS
  • Study Hooke's Law and its implications in sound wave behavior
  • Learn about the mathematical derivation of energy in sound waves
  • Explore the concept of pressure amplitude in acoustics
  • Review the principles of simple harmonic motion in greater detail
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Students in musical acoustics, physics educators, and anyone interested in the fundamental principles of sound wave energy and amplitude relationships.

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I tried to come up with a simple calculus-free explanation for why the energy in a sound wave is proportional to the square of the wave's amplitude for my musical acoustics class. I think this makes sense, and seems to just be an elaboration of what Donald Hall writes, but I haven't seen it explained this way elsewhere so please let me know if there are some problems here.

If we use the SHM model and imagine a ball on a spring, A (amplitude) is the maximum displacement. To start the vibrating system, the ball must be displaced by A.

Then, how much work is done when starting the vibration?
W=Fd and d=A
F=ma
a=v/t
v=d/t
a=d/t2
F=md/t2
W=md2/t2 or mA2/t2
Energy transferred = work done
.˙. E is proportional to A2
 
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It might work better if I explain it with Hooke's Law but they haven't learned this yet and don't really need it for most of the course.
 
DaydreamNation said:
I tried to come up with a simple calculus-free explanation for why the energy in a sound wave is proportional to the square of the wave's amplitude for my musical acoustics class. <snip>
a=v/t
v=d/t
a=d/t2
<snip>

Argh! Don't do this! first, a≠v/t, a=Δv/Δt= (v_f-v_i)/(t_f-t_i), and they are not the same, even if you set v_i = 0 and t_i = 0. I realize you are trying to provide some foundations behind the formulas, but this abuse of notation has significant consequences.

A better explanation could be that since the pressure amplitude can have negative values with respect to a zero-point but the energy carried by sound cannot be negative, the energy is proportional to the amplitude^2, which is always positive.
 
Yes, I see the error. Thanks for that.
 
Throwing this out here for anyone: the problem is I already gave the class that explanation of E ∝A2 yesterday; I was perhaps feeling hubristic and rushed into it before I got replies on the thread; will not do that sort of thing again. (I did say it was crude and simplified, and that they wouldn't solve problems with those intermediate equations.) Any suggestions on how to recover and avoid future problems with this, without losing too much face? (Hall's explanation in the textbook is that if you pull a mass on a spring twice as far, you also have to pull it twice as hard; I was really just trying to elaborate on why his explanation makes sense. Does it??) I'm not sure I totally get your explanation: why would the need for a positive value mean that E ∝A2 as opposed to e.g. E∝|A|?

:(
 
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Btw, the textbook is Hall, Donald. Musical Acoustics.

Maybe it's just a matter of emphasizing the final formula E ∝A2 going forward, and reiterating that the equations in the other explanation can't all be used, that it was a way to try to give an explanation for something?

:(
 
I deeply respect people who are engaged in self-education. Nevertheless the problem of self-education is as follows. A person reads textbooks and forms his own opinion about what he has read. Then he tries to solve a problem and faces the fact that his answer is not equal to the one in the end of the book. Then he goes to specialists and asks them what the story is. He expects that specialists will help him to solve the problem and they will do that by using his own understandings and...

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