An example need to be turned into an integral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around converting a production increase scenario into a mathematical formula, specifically exploring the relationship between discrete and continuous growth. Participants are examining how to express total production over time, considering both geometric sums and integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a production scenario where output increases by 10% each year and seeks a general formula for total production after year x.
  • Another participant suggests that the situation can be modeled using a geometric sum, providing the formula for such a sum.
  • A participant questions whether the formula is discrete and considers the implications of non-integer factors on the model.
  • There is a mention of continuous growth and the potential use of logarithmic functions in the context of production increases.
  • One participant notes that if production increases continuously rather than annually, an integral could be used to calculate total production over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the production increase should be modeled as discrete or continuous, and there is no consensus on the correct approach to formulate the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the nature of the production increase (discrete vs. continuous) and the implications for the mathematical representation, but do not resolve these issues.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mathematical modeling of growth processes, particularly in contexts involving discrete versus continuous changes, may find this discussion relevant.

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OK. We are producing something and then storing it. The first year, "1" is produced, the second year, "1,1" the third 1,12, so that the production capacity increases 10% per year. How do we convert this into a general formula for how much we have produced in total after year x?

It is obviously an integral, but all formulas I find for ∫ nx give nonsense when I apply them to this example, so I think I'm wrong in turing the formula into nx

How do I solve this?
 
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What you're looking for is called a geometric sum.

[tex]S=1+r+r^2+...+r^{n-1}=\frac{r^n-1}{r-1}[/tex]

r is the ratio, in your case 1.1, n is the amount of years you're counting.
 
Ah, that gives reasonable numbers. So the formula resulting from the example is discrete? Is it the non-integer factor (1,1) that does that?

EDIT: No, I specified the increase as happening annually, if it isn't, if it is continous, the (r-1) is replaced with ln(r), which I found by experimenting, and it gives exactly the value my calculator does. Oddly I cannot seem to find any reference to this formula, though I'm most cenrtainly again screwing up annotations.

I need to refreshen my math-math, I've been in the world of molecules for too long...
 
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If the increase in production was constantly changing, every minute of every day saw an incremental increase, then you might use an integral to find the increase after a certain period. The integral is the limit of a certain process which can often be crudely represented as a summation.
 

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