Analysis of a general function with a specific argument

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical exercise involving the analysis of a specific function defined by the mapping \( x \mapsto 1+\frac{1}{2}\sin\left(\frac{1}{x}\right) \). Participants are tasked with proving certain inequalities related to this function and exploring the implications of its definition, particularly in the context of limits and continuity.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the generality of the function \( f \).
  • Another suggests using substitutions \( u=1/x \) and \( v=1/y \) to facilitate proving the first inequality involving the sine function.
  • Several participants discuss the interpretation of the function, with some asserting that the mapping defines the function explicitly, while others question the implications of treating \( f \) as a general function.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of the function at \( x=0 \) and the validity of the quantifiers used in the problem statement.
  • One participant mentions the mean value theorem as a potential tool for proving the inequalities, specifically in relation to the sine function.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of adhering to the homework guidelines and expresses a desire for clarity in the problem's context.
  • There is a suggestion that the exercise may require careful consideration of cases where zero is between \( x \) and \( y \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of the function and the approach to solving the problem. While some agree on the need to treat the function as defined by the mapping, others express uncertainty about the implications of this definition and the generality of \( f \).

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the function's behavior, particularly at \( x=0 \), and the implications of the quantifiers used in the problem statement. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical concepts among participants.

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Hello everybody,
I'm currently helping a friend on an assignment of his, but we are both stumbled on this exercise, I'm posting it here

We define a function ##f## which goes from ##\mathbb{R}## to ##\mathbb{R}## such that its argument maps as
$$
x \mapsto 1+\frac{1}{2}\sin\left(\frac{1}{x}\right)
$$
Show that
$$
\forall x,y \in\mathbb{R}\quad |f(x)-f(y)|\leq \frac{1}{2}\left|\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right|
$$
and deduce that
$$
\forall x,y \in [1,\infty) \quad |f(x)-f(y)|\leq \frac{1}{2}\left|x-y\right|
$$
That's it. The fact that it treats the limit of a general funtion with that argument is what is confusing, I tried to get a counterexample but haven't succeed. If anyone knows the first step on how to solve this or a hint it would be appreciated.
 
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Suggestion: Try letting ## u=1/x ## and ## v=1/y ## to show the first relation. Then basically you need to show that ## |sin(u)-sin(v)| \leq |u-v| ## . ## \\ ## editing... For the second part, If ## |1/x-1/y|>... ##, since ## |1/x-1/y|=|(x-y)/(xy) | ##, if x,y>1, clearly ## |x-y|>|(x-y)/(xy) | ##, so the second part follows if you can prove the first.
 
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Charles Link said:
Suggestion: Try letting ## u=1/x ## and ## v=1/y ## to show the first relation. Then basically you need to show that ## |sin(u)-sin(v)| <=|u-v| ##
Thank you, but my problem persists: I am dealing with a general function here. Let's say ##u=x^{-1}## and ##v=y^{-1}##, now I have to prove that
$$
\forall u,v \in\mathbb{R}\quad \left|f\left(1+\frac{\sin(u)}{2}\right)-f\left(1+\frac{\sin(v)}{2}\right)\right| \leq \frac{1}{2}\left|u-v\right|
$$
but ##f## can be any function! What am I missing?
 
Quireno said:
Thank you, but my problem persists: I am dealing with a general function here. Let's say ##u=x^{-1}## and ##v=y^{-1}##, now I have to prove that
$$
\forall u,v \in\mathbb{R}\quad \left|f\left(1+\frac{\sin(u)}{2}\right)-f\left(1+\frac{\sin(v)}{2}\right)\right| \leq \frac{1}{2}\left|u-v\right|
$$
but ##f## can be any function! What am I missing?
I thought the mapping gives you f(x). Maybe I misinterpreted the problem. But I think I may have, in fact, interpreted it correctly...Usually as I know it, the function is the mapping.
 
Charles Link said:
the function is the mapping
Do you mean that the function does not matter? Maybe you are right, but can you explain further?
 
Quireno said:
Do you mean that the function does not matter? Maybe you are right, but can you explain further?
My major in college was physics and not math, but usually when they say "there is a mapping" that defines the function. In this case ## f(x)=1+(1/2)sin(1/x) ##. That's how I interpreted it. Maybe some other members who are or were math majors can also give their inputs. @Ray Vickson @fresh_42
 
Charles Link said:
My major in college was physics and not math, but usually when they say "there is a mapping" that defines the function. In this case ## f(x)=1+(1/2)sin(1/x) ##. That's how I interpreted it. Maybe some other members who are or were math majors can also give their inputs. @Ray Vickson @fresh_42
That's my interpretation, too. I don't get things like "any function" or "the function doesn't matter".
Unless otherwise stated, ##f(x)=1+\frac{1}{2}\sin{\frac{1}{x}}##. However "goes from ##\mathbb{R}## to ##\mathbb{R}##" is also mysterious, since ##f(0)## isn't defined. For the same reason the for all quantifier isn't correct.

I suppose this question should have been in the homework section, in which case I would demand some efforts by the OP to see where he actually got stuck and which mathematical environment may be used. As an ##I## labeled calculus question I would refer to the Taylor series of the sine function or the first differentiation.
 
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fresh_42 said:
That's my interpretation, too. I don't get things like "any function" or "the function doesn't matter".
Unless otherwise stated, ##f(x)=1+\frac{1}{2}\sin{\frac{1}{x}}##. However "goes from ##\mathbb{R}## to ##\mathbb{R}##" is also mysterious, since ##f(0)## isn't defined. For the same reason the for all quantifier isn't correct.

I suppose this question should have been in the homework section, in which case I would demand some efforts by the OP to see where he actually got stuck and which mathematical environment may be used. As an ##I## labeled calculus question I would refer to the Taylor series of the sine function or the first differentiation.
Ok, I will try to do the exercise by treating the x as f(x). This could have been a misinterpretation of notation by myself. As for the expansion, I don't think it is neither necessary nor convenient.
 
Quireno said:
Ok, I will try to do the exercise by treating the x as f(x). This could have been a misinterpretation of notation by myself. As for the expansion, I don't think it is neither necessary nor convenient.
But short. The limit definition of ##\frac{d}{dx}\sin(\frac{1}{x})## could also help. What do you mean by treating ##x## as ##f(x)##? I think it should read:
$$ f : \mathbb{R}-\{0\} \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}\, , \,x \longmapsto f(x) := 1+\frac{1}{2}\sin(\frac{1}{x})$$
or ##f=\{(x,y)\,\vert \,y=1+\frac{1}{2}\sin(\frac{1}{x}) \wedge x\in \mathbb{R} \wedge x\neq 0\}## if you like.
 
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fresh_42 said:
But short. The limit definition of ##\frac{d}{dx}\sin(\frac{1}{x})## could also help. What do you mean by treating ##x## as ##f(x)##? I think it should read:
$$ f : \mathbb{R}-\{0\} \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}\, , \,x \longmapsto f(x) := 1+\frac{1}{2}\sin(\frac{1}{x})$$
or ##f=\{(x,y)\,\vert \,y=1+\frac{1}{2}\sin(\frac{1}{x}) \wedge x\in \mathbb{R} \wedge x\neq 0\}## if you like.
Nevermind me, I'm just confused.
Anyway, I have now the first part
$$
\left|\left(1+\frac{\sin(u)}{2}\right)-\left(1+\frac{\sin(v)}{2}\right)\right|=\left|\frac{\sin(u)}{2}-\frac{\sin(v)}{2}\right|=\frac{|\sin(u)-\sin(v)|}{2}\leq \frac{1}{2}\left|u-v\right|
$$
which can be proved by the mean value theorem
$$
\cos x=\frac{\sin u-\sin v}{u-v}\qquad \Rightarrow \frac{\sin u-\sin v}{u-v}\leq1
$$
 
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Some absolute values added and it looks o.k. to me. I don't know what the substitution is good for though, but anyway. And the mean value theorem is a deluxe version of the first derivative. This is one of the reasons the homework template is for. It is not meant to annoy members. It shall tell us which formulas are allowed, and which are not. Perhaps you were looking for a geometrical proof. We cannot know.
 
  • #12
Will use the homework forum next time. Thank you, I can handle the problem from here.
 
  • #13
You might have to take some care of the situation if zero is between ##x## and ##y##!
 

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