Analyzing SHM with Two Pendulums and Varying Masses

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two pendulums with varying masses and their oscillatory motion. The original poster presents a scenario where a mass M is attached to a thread AB, and another mass m is suspended from a thread BC, with the goal of determining the length L of BC based on the conditions of simple harmonic motion (SHM).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the dynamics of the system, questioning the interpretation of the setup where point B remains directly beneath point A. There are discussions about the implications of considering AB as a stiff bar and the potential lengths of BC. The original poster attempts to analyze the forces affecting mass m and seeks to mathematically describe the force F acting on it.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications on the interpretation of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the assumptions about the lengths and masses involved, but no consensus has been reached on the mathematical relationships or the specific calculations needed.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of explicit constraints on the length of BC and the relationship between the masses M and m. Participants are considering various interpretations of the physical setup and its implications for the period of oscillation.

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Homework Statement


In a thread with a sphere of mass M on one end, another thread BC is suspended with a sphere of mass m (as the image below). The point A executes small oscillations in the horizontal of period T. Find the length L of BC, knowing that B remains straight underneath A at all time

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Homework Equations


SHM and dynamics equations

The Attempt at a Solution


As AB is always on the vertical, we can see that when A is pushed to one side, BC hangs to the same side in order to balance the angular momentum. So, adopting the non inertial reference of AB, the sphere of mass m is now affected by the weight and the force that pushed A, let's say F. Then I've tried to analyze the forces in the direction of the mass' m movement to prove the simple harmonic motion of the system. But how can I calculate F? I can't seem to describe it mathematically :/
 
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AB remains always on the vertical
confuses me no end. Can I interptret this as: B remains straight underneath A at all time?
 
Yes, this is what you should interpret, actually. Let me edit the post
 
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So for all I kn
ow AB could just as well be a stiff bar, right ?
 
Yes, despise their mass and consider they are a stiff bar
 
BC can be any length at all, there's nothing to restrict it: nothing is being said about C !
 
Probably not. Imagine, for an instance, |BC| >> |AB| and m>>M, then the period of oscillation must be smaller to compensate the angular momentum and to keep AB in the vertical. So I guess there must be a relation between the masses, period and BC's length as the problem requests
 

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