Angle of acceleration in non-uniform circular motion

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of an angle related to acceleration in non-uniform circular motion. Participants are examining the relationship between radial and tangential accelerations and how these contribute to the total acceleration vector.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the use of different ratios in the tangent function for calculating the angle. There is discussion about the notation used for inverse trigonometric functions and the interpretation of symbols in the context of degrees.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different types of acceleration and how they relate to the angle being calculated. Some participants are clarifying misunderstandings about notation and the geometric interpretation of the problem, while others are drawing diagrams to visualize the situation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the angle is defined as the one between the radial acceleration and the total acceleration, and there is mention of a specific angle being measured in a particular way relative to a cord in the diagram. There is also acknowledgment of the potential confusion arising from changing symbols during problem-solving.

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For (c),
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Solution is
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Can someone please explain how they calculated that angle? I thought they would do ##arc\tan (\frac {32}{3.35})##

Many thanks!
 
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Callumnc1 said:
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Can someone please explain how they calculated that angle? I thought they would do ##arc\tan (\frac {32}{3.35})##

Many thanks!
##\tan^{-1}## is one way of writing ##\arctan##.
Or is it the 3.35/32 instead of the other way up that bothers you?
 
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haruspex said:
##\tan^{-1}## is one way of writing ##\arctan##.
Or is it the 3.35/32 instead of the other way up that bothers you?
The OP seems to be unaware that the trig function inverses can be written in two ways: e.g., ##\tan^{-1}(x)## is the same as arctan(x), and similar for the other circular trig functions.

On another note, does anyone recognize the symbol that follows 5.98 in the solution? Evidently it means "degrees" since ##\tan^{-1}(\frac{3.35}{32.0}) \approx 5.98## (degrees), but the symbol used looks like ##\gamma## to me, which I've never seen used to signify degrees .
 
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haruspex said:
##\tan^{-1}## is one way of writing ##\arctan##.
Or is it the 3.35/32 instead of the other way up that bothers you?
Thank you for your reply @haruspex!

Sorry I should been more accurate - it is the 3.35/32 that is bothering me

Many thanks!
 
Mark44 said:
The OP seems to be unaware that the trig function inverses can be written in two ways: e.g., ##\tan^{-1}(x)## is the same as arctan(x), and similar for the other circular trig functions.

On another note, does anyone recognize the symbol that follows 5.98 in the solution? Evidently it means "degrees" since ##\tan^{-1}(\frac{3.35}{32.0}) \approx 5.98## (degrees), but the symbol used looks like ##\gamma## to me, which I've never seen used to signify degrees .
Thank you for your reply @Mark44!

Sorry I was actually aware that ##tan^{-1} = arctan##. However, I was not sure why they wrote 3.35\32 instead 32\3.35 inside the tan function.

Also yeah that textbook solutions dose use the gamma symbol for degrees for some reason.

Many thanks!
 
Callumnc1 said:
Thank you for your reply @haruspex!

Sorry I should been more accurate - it is the 3.35/32 that is bothering me

Many thanks!
The 32 acceleration is radial. The angle quoted is that between the radial acceleration and the total acceleration. The cosine of that angle would be radial/total and its tangent is tangential/radial.
 
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haruspex said:
The 32 acceleration is radial. The angle quoted is that between the radial acceleration and the total acceleration. The cosine of that angle would be radial/total and its tangent is tangential/radial.
Thank you for reply @haruspex !

When I draw a diagram of the accelerations acting on the mass when ##\theta = 20~degrees##
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Then draw a vector addition diagram to get the total acceleration,
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I see that ##\tan\theta = \frac{a_c}{a_t} = \frac{32}{3.35}##

I know this is bad practice to change symbols when solving a problem, but if I add an angle phi (use to represent tangent/radial acceleration) ,
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Then I can see that ##\tan\phi = \frac{a_t}{a_c}##. I think I'm now not sure how they got acceleration to be below the cord at 5.89 degrees.
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Many thanks!
 
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The angle of a line "below the cord" means the angle between the cord and the line, measured on the underside of the cord. In your last diagram above, that is the angle between the pale brown cord and the black total acceleration vector, measured anticlockwise from the cord.
 
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haruspex said:
The angle of a line "below the cord" means the angle between the cord and the line, measured on the underside of the cord. In your last diagram above, that is the angle between the pale brown cord and the black total acceleration vector, measured anticlockwise from the cord.
Oh thank you for your help @haruspex! I see it now :)
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