Difference between curvilinear and rotational motion

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The discussion revolves around the distinction between curvilinear motion and rotational motion, particularly in the context of a plate and its center of mass. Participants explore the nature of motion when a certain connection is cut and how this relates to concepts learned in earlier education.

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  • Participants question the definition of rotational motion versus curvilinear motion, particularly in relation to the motion of a plate and its center of mass. There are attempts to clarify the differences based on angles and orientation, with references to pendulum motion and historical definitions of rotation and revolution.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the motion of the plate and its center of mass. Some guidance is offered on how to approach the calculation of the period of the center of mass, suggesting a comparison to a simple pendulum.

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There are references to educational distinctions made in elementary school regarding terms like "rotation" and "revolution," which may influence participants' understanding of the concepts being discussed.

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The picture shows a plate of mass ##750 kg##, whose centre of mass is in ##O##. Determine the tension in ##A## and ##B## after ##C## is cut.
Relevant Equations
##\Sigma \tau =I \alpha##
##\Sigma F=ma##
The solution states that there's no rotational motion when ##C## is cut (the motion is curvilinear), so we can take torques with respect to the centre of mass of the plate. But, isn't it rotating? I think of it as a pendulum, which describes a circular motion. What's the difference? Wouldn't the plate oscillate like a pendulum, describing the arc of a circle?
 

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Like Tony Stark said:
What's the difference?
It doesn't rotate: the angle of e.g. AB wrt the horizontal does not change
 
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BvU said:
It doesn't rotate: the angle of e.g. AB wrt the horizontal does not change
I would clarify this and say that because AB wrt the horizontal doesn't change, the block does not rotate about its CM. Nevertheless the block's CM rotates wrt some point in the sense that the angle between the strings and the vertical changes wrt time. By contrast, a pendulum suspended by a single string rotates both about its CM and the point of support. Just like the Moon shows the same face to the Earth by making one revolution about the Earth in the same time it makes one revolution about its axis, the one-string pendulum shows the same face to the point of support.
 
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Back in elementary school we were taught to use the term "rotation" for the circular motion of a rigid object such as a satellite about its own center of mass and "revolution" for the [near-] circular motion of a satellite about its primary.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
Back in elementary school we were taught to use the term "rotation" for the circular motion of a rigid object such as a satellite about its own center of mass and "revolution" for the [near-] circular motion of a satellite about its primary.
It's a good distinction whereas "orbital" and "spin" (angular momentum) are more physicky.
 
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kuruman said:
Nevertheless the block's CM rotates wrt some point in the sense that the angle between the strings and the vertical changes wrt time.

That's my doubt. Doesn't the centre of mass of the plate oscillate like the ball of the pendulum?
 
No. It stays 'upright'.
 
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Like Tony Stark said:
That's my doubt. Doesn't the centre of mass of the plate oscillate like the ball of the pendulum?
The center of mass moves back and forth in an arc. Yes.

The plate does not change it orientation during this movement. It stays upright at all times.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
The center of mass moves back and forth in an arc. Yes.

The plate does not change it orientation during this movement. It stays upright at all times.
I got it. Thanks.
And what if I want to calculate the period of its centre of mass? Should I treat all the system as a simple pendulum?
 
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Why not draw a FBD, derive the equation of motion and see if it is the same as that of a simple pendulum?
 
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