Angular momentum values and probabilities

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The discussion revolves around angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on eigenvalues and probabilities associated with angular momentum states. Participants explore the implications of angular momentum operators and their eigenstates, particularly in the context of spherical harmonics and the addition of angular momentum from different sources.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the eigenvalue equations for angular momentum and express uncertainty about the parameters involved, such as the angles theta and phi. There is an exploration of the relationship between the quantum numbers l and s, and how they contribute to the total angular momentum j. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of spherical harmonics and the calculation of probabilities from coefficients.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the interpretation of angular momentum values. Some participants have offered guidance on looking up spherical harmonics, while others are questioning the assumptions about the addition of angular momentum. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the values of j and m, and the probabilities associated with different outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not covered Clebsch-Gordon coefficients, which may limit their ability to fully resolve the probabilities involved in the addition of angular momentum. There is also a mention of the complexity involved in adding angular momentum values, indicating that the relationship is not straightforward.

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For a angular momentum ##J##, there exists the eigenvalue problems
$$J^{2} \mid j \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle = j(j +1)\hbar^{2} \mid j \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle $$
$$ J_{z} \mid j \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle = m \hbar \mid j \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle $$

(a)
So I will plug in the values to get me started with this position and spin state
$$ \frac {1}{\sqrt{24}} a^{-3/2} \frac {r}{a} e^{-r/2a} \Big [ \sqrt {\frac {1}{4 \pi}} cos \hspace{0.02 in} (\theta) \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} - \sqrt {\frac {1}{4 \pi}} sin \hspace{0.02 in} (\theta) \hspace{0.02 in} e^{i \phi} \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} \Big ] $$

But I have no clue what theta, phi, or r are supposed to be, or what I should do from here if this is even the correct first step.
 
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You Have written it out correctly. But that is not necessary yet. Look at what the question is asking, it wants to know about eigenvalues. And the state you are given contains terms of spherical harmonics. What can you say about the spherical harmonics? (It makes the first question easier to deal with, rather than having to write out the entire state as a function of position coordinates).
 
Okay, so ##L^{2} \mid l m \rangle = l(l+1) \mid l m \rangle##, but how do I know what ##l## is? I didn't really understand your response, particularly
And the state you are given contains terms of spherical harmonics. What can you say about the spherical harmonics?
I have no idea what you are getting at.

I suppose based on the coefficients that one probability is ##\sqrt{1/3}## and the other is ##\sqrt{2/3}##, but I don't know the values.
 
If you look up some information on the spherical harmonics in quantum mechanics, then you can find what ##l## is.
 
Oh yes, so it is ##l = 1##, so then the value is ##1(1+1)\hbar^{2} = 2 \hbar^{2}##. So then you have ##\sqrt{1/3}## chance of getting ##2 \hbar^{2}##? But the azimuthal number is the same for both spherical harmonics, so then it seems like you just have 100% chance of getting ##L^{2} = 2 \hbar^{2}##?
 
Yep. That looks right.
 
Okay, so for (b) then it would be ##L_{z} = 0## and ##P(0) = \sqrt{1/3}##, and ##L_{z} = \hbar## with ##P(\hbar) = \sqrt{2/3}##?
 
We need to take the square of the coefficients to get the Probabilities. And as a sanity check, the probabilities of all possible outcomes should add up to 1.
 
Okay great. Now I am on part (e), knowing ##J = L + S##

I have

$$J^{2} \mid j \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle = j(j+1) \hbar^{2} \mid j \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle$$

Does it mean ##j = l + s##? If so, I know ##l = 1## in both cases. But also, isn't ##s = 1/2## in both cases? Since ##S^{2} \mid s \hspace {0.02 in} m \rangle = s(s+1) \mid s \hspace {0.02 in} m \rangle##

For ##\chi_{+}##
$$S^{2} \mid \frac {1}{2} \hspace {0.02 in} \frac {1}{2} \rangle = \frac {1}{2}(\frac {1}{2}+1)\hbar^{2} \mid \frac {1}{2} \hspace {0.02 in} \frac {1}{2} \rangle$$

And for ##\chi_{-}##
$$S^{2} \mid \frac {1}{2} \hspace {0.02 in} -\frac {1}{2} \rangle = \frac {1}{2}(\frac {1}{2}+1) \hbar^{2} \mid s \hspace {0.02 in} - \frac {1}{2} \rangle$$

So in both cases ##j = 1 + \frac {1}{2} = \frac {3}{2}##

Therefore,
$$J^{2} \mid \frac {3}{2} m \rangle = \frac {3}{2}(\frac {3}{2} + 1) \hbar^{2} \mid \frac {3}{2} m \rangle $$

What should ##m## be?
##J^{2} = \frac {15}{4} \hbar^{2}## with ##P = 1##

P.S. Since we didn't learn about Clebsch-Gordon coefficients, we do not need to actually find the probability
 
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unfortunately, it is not possible to add up ##j = l + s##. It is slightly more complicated. Thinking about it intuitively, the orbital and spin angular momenta may be somewhat misaligned, therefore the measurement of the magnitude of angular momentum will have more than one possible value. On the other hand, ##m## is more simple. The operator for the z component of the sum of momenta is simply the addition of the operators for the z components of the two individual momenta.
 

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